I'm really tired of the complaint that decisions and opinions are made 
by a very few people who show up for the meeting. Like it or not, life 
belongs to those who show up. By not showing up, I think you're saying 
that you trust your neighbors to make these decisions.
Lest anyone be left in the dark, sitting on a neighborhood board is 
really hard work. The meetings tend to be long (two and a half hours), 
there are it seems, lots of meetings. There is lots of phone work. 
There's always about half a pound of paper to read and grasp and make 
decisions on. I've also noticed that neighborhood boards are usually 
made up of middle-aged people whose children are in the mid-teens or 
older, retired respected elders of the neighborhood, and people who are 
injured and/or temporarily unemployed. Many people don't want to or 
can't serve because it's very demanding. After all that folderol (sp?), 
it's no fun to be second guessed by everyone who didn't bother to either 
come to the meeting or call in an opinion to the neighborhood office or 
a board member.

I've been down to MetalMatic once or twice and gone through the area 
both during the day and late at night and usually alone. Frankly, I 
wouldn't want an apartment there. First, Metal Matic, which makes tubing 
and pipes for the auto industry, has three shifts. Second, The U's steam 
plant is a lonely place. It probably doesn't take many people to run the 
joint. Pillsbury Park, down on Hennepin Island, right under Main Street, 
is attractive to some rather unsavory folks. I used to go down there 
because you can see the tunnel door to the Pillsbury A Mill from there, 
but have since learned that it's probably not such a good idea. The 
river is fast, dangerous, and going over a dam or just went over a dam. 
Pretty tricky, and mesmerizing to watch and listen too. But, mui 
dangerous. Sometimes I stare into it and it feels, in the roar of the 
water and the sheer overwhelming majesty, that the River has a siren 
song that wants to pull you in. Think about that and teenagers whose 
hormones, emotional barometer, and mood swings are awesome to witness.
 I don't think it's a real good place for kids or teens to live. It's 
spooky at night and the spookiness is a factor of the river itself. 
Great place to stage a murder and I think it might have been Roger 
Zimmerman who set a murder mystery there. His books, which are fun, are 
available at your public library in the mystery section--way at the end 
of the final shelf.
WizardMarks, Central

Dave Polaschek wrote:

>Paul Lambie wrote:
>
>>Admittedly, I do not have all the specific information
>>about the details of this project, but it does not
>>seem like a unique situation.  I welcome any comments
>>
>>from anyone who would like to tell me why the
>
>>"neighborhood" should have any say into whether this
>>housing development occurs or not.  I use the term
>>neighborhood loosely, because the people who speak on
>>behalf of the neighborhood are certainly a small
>>minority of the neighborhood population who are
>>politically active and have the time to attend
>>neighborhood meetings.
>>
>
>I guess I'm one of that "small minority", since I'm on the board of the 
>Marcy-Holmes Neighborhood Association.
>
>The reason I feel qualified to speak about this area is that I've lived 
>(as a renter) in the Marcy-Holmes neighborhood for 17 of the past 20 
>years. I regularly walk or bike past the proposed Stone Arch Apartments 
>area and have an idea what it's like. I wouldn't feel qualified to say 
>what should be a given block in Lowry Hill might be, but I think I have 
>an idea of what's in Marcy-Holmes.
>
>I started out thinking that the project wasn't such a bad idea, since it 
>would turn some currently unused land into housing. It would probably 
>encourage MetalMatic to eventually leave, opening up even more space for 
>housing. But the more I've heard about the Stone Arch Apartments 
>proposal, the less I like it.
>
>We've got a large student population in this neighborhood. Turns out 
>students aren't eligible for affordable housing. The rest of the 
>apartments will be priced out of reach of most students. So no real help 
>for the students in the project.
>
>The lot is sandwiched between two sets of railroad tracks, one mostly 
>unused (except to park an occasional empty freight car), and one still in 
>regular use by ADM. Across the in-use tracks is MetalMatic, which has 
>heavy truck traffic during all three shifts. Across the unused tracks and 
>SE Main St. is the University of Minnesota steam plant, which gets noise 
>complaints from people living on the other side of MetalMatic (2-3 blocks 
>away). That's not surprising, since I can hear it from 6 blocks away.
>
>The project area is polluted and would require cleanup. I haven't heard 
>of any results of studies of the pollution on-site, but simply walking 
>past you can see that the ground is contaminated with oil. There are 
>spots where the weeds won't grow, even though there's no traffic on them.
>
>In the last plan we saw, the windows on the building won't open. That's 
>to cut down on noise. Beyond that, there won't be any outdoor areas for 
>tenant uses (other than parking). Affordable housing usually means 
>families with children. Any kids would have to cross two streets to use 
>the park which has no play equipment.
>
>I'd like to see more affordable housing in the neighborhood. One of these 
>years I'd like to be able to afford to buy my own home in Marcy-Holmes, 
>rather than renting. But I don't think that affordable housing should be 
>dumped in industrial areas.
>
>As for this particular site, I believe that it will be a great location 
>for housing one day. If MetalMatic leaves, and ADM quits using the tracks 
>that divide those blocks in half, it'll be a good site for housing. When 
>it's cleaned up and the proposed white-water park is put in across SE 
>Main St. from the site, it'll be a great location. But that's not the 
>current reality, and none of those things may come to pass.
>
>Dave Polaschek
>Marcy-Holmes
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