Michael Atherton:� There are a couple of
interesting education related articles in the
Tribune today. New test scores are out for 3rd
and 5th grades. Unfortunately it doesn't appear
that you can access scores by city on the web,
but these scores are in the hardcopy edition.
Secondly, Minneapolis is about to raise property
taxes to make up for the loss of state
educational funding (not much of a surprise), but
it would be nice to see tests scores and taxes go
up together.�

I hope Michael noticed how student family incomes
and test scores go DOWN together.  Income is a
VERY powerful predictor of success.  Also, did
you happen to notice the private schools DON�T
take the test?  So, how can anyone know how their
students would do?

Jim McGuire:� Add me to this list of those who
would vote against the Hard Rock. Let's support
local businesses�

I don�t like the SYMBOLISM of the Hard Rock Cafe
which is the tendency of our government to build
up debt to support entertainment development, at
the very time when housing was getting worse.

By the way, there�s a very nice cafe at 11th and
Franklin (Maria�s I think).  That�s my notion of
a very good place to go.  Or there�s a coffee
house in Longfellow at 38th Street and 34th
Avenue.  I think the owner is Latino.
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Michael was wrong in saying the scores aren�t
available online.  Check
<a href=�
http://cflapp.state.mn.us/CLASS/analysis/classdata.jsp?Key=201200090001030001R9039999999xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx1xxxxO&SN=None+Chosen&DN=MINNEAPOLIS&SIM=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000&CITY=MINNEAPOLIS&SECTION=DA&TR=B&L=0&NP=F�>here</a>

�Sept. 25, 2002 (Minneapolis) The City of
Minneapolis topped the rankings of the nation's
largest cities in an e-government study conducted
by Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island.
Using detailed analysis of 1,567 city government
web sites in 70 of the largest metropolitan areas
in the nation, the rankings were announced in the
second annual installment of a comprehensive
e-government study conducted by researchers at
Brown University's Center for Public Policy
earlier this month.�

Well, Minneapolis was a little LATE, but I do
like how it works now. So maybe later is better.

Robin Garwood:� Which brings us to the more
important question: how do we solve this? I
disagree with your defeatist sentiment that "all
the laws in the world won't make people honest."
The law against murder doesn't keep our society
totally free from murder, but it's still a really
good idea�

Kinda depends a LITTLE on whether the laws are
enforced.  We�ve gotten more and more into the
mindset that �voters don�t like enforcement of
anything not involving blood,  so lets go easy�. 
And with the anti-tax sentiments, it is also
CHEAPER to reduce the enforcement of laws.  So
Victoria can�t validly make her generalization
until she demands that ALL laws be vigorously
enforced. When she sees the bill handed down for
VIGOROUS law enforcement, she�ll probably say �I
don�t want laws enforced�, which then will mean
that all the dead letters in the world won�t
change anything.

Michael Hohmann:� Talk it up, list members. What
are the strengths and weaknesses of the land
trust models? How can we structure the models to
be most effective, given the limited financial
resources available? How can the private sector
best be involved with the land trust model�

Maybe what is needed is a credit union that     DOES
offer financing to buy homes on leased land.  How
do condos get financing?  They don�t have land
ownership, either.

Mark:�I remember back in the good ol' days when I
walked from my fraternity in Dinkytown (we're one
of the few not on frat row along University Ave)
to East Bank campus. It was about 8-12 blocks
depending on where your class was. Granted, we
were mostly able-bodied young folks, but we also
lugged around those nice 20-pound backpacks on
our shoulders - oh, did I mention it was uphill -
both ways? :-) �

I�m in my late 50�s Mark, and last summer I
walked from Longfellow to St Paul�s Westside.  It
was a nice day and a very nice walk, escpecially
across the High Bridge. And then I walked up to
Cathedral Hill, and finally took a bus back home.

I suppose 6 blocks is not �too far�, it is
further than people WANT to walk.

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