--- Mark Wilde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I want to publicly thank the Mayor for taking a
> stand for peace and justice and against war.  I also

> want to get a plug-in for Paul Wellstone who 
> (finally) made public his opposition.  Common sense 
> is seeming to prevail around this issue and I am 
> reassured to see it from the Mayor.

I heard that Dean Zimmerman was also there and I'm not
sure, but I think I saw Robert Lilligren walking
around as well.

It was definitely good to see college students,
workers, couples with kids, a few vets and active duty
soldiers, people with 5-gallon-pail drums, middle age
folks in buisiness attire, and people from many other
demographics all demonstrating together.

There were people of many racial, religious,
socio-economic, and political background united
together for this common cause.

One thing I would mention. I believe that Mr. Rybak
(demonstrating as a private citizen) and many of the
others were taking a stand for peace and justice, but
some people there were only taking a stand for
justice.

I've heard activists who speak of having no issues
with the use of force when it is required. This is a
double edged sword.

On one hand, it means that it would be possible for
them to accept a military action if (and only if) it
were just.

On the other hand, it means they have no problem using
force to oppose unjust military action (or other forms
of injustice). We've seen it before in protests
against economic imperialism (WTO, IMF, etc.) and I am
almost positive that if our administration pushes
ahead with a unilateral first-strike war, we'll see it
again.

- - -
musings about potential local impact from this war
- - -

Not all these folks are going to bother heading to DC
to act, some will act here. I don't know about
Minneapolis during Vietnam, but I know that Madison
looked like a war zone and the hippies then were a lot
more peaceful than some supporters of the global 
justice movement are today. The hippies thought that
they were on the cusp of changing the world, that
society was going to "get it", they had their sex
drugs and rock'n'roll, and they were pretty happy
about it.

Some of today's activists see a society with a lot of
momentum towards a future that will be very bleak for
the poorest 95% of the world. They see a very real
possibility that they will be killed, injured, or
jailed for speaking out (whether they're breaking the
law or not). They are more desperate and more
dedicated than anti-war activists in the 1960s - they
bear far more in common with the labor movements
around the turn of the century.

I am not in any way implying that everyone who is
against the war will take these actions or support
those who do. I know for a fact that groups like
Anti-War Committee put a great deal of effort into
keeping protests from getting out of control, and I
expect they will continue to do so.

I wonder if a city council resolution opposing the war
on Iraq would have any impact on the damage to
property and burden on the police force that may come
from the actions of the non-peaceful activists who
feel that property has no value in comparison to human
life.

- Jason Goray, Sheridan, NE
Investing in good homeowner's insurance.

Incidently, while it is speculation, I feel that it is
likely that an unprovoked attack on Iraq will increase
the chance of terrorist attacks - both foreign and
domestic.

When they're picking targets, I wonder if they be more
drawn towards cities where over ten thousand hit the
streets in protest like Portland, cities who declare
that they are against the aggressions like Ithaca NY,
or will they target cities where the people seem
willing to let the war happen (or support it).

Just thinking...


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