Title: Re: [Mpls] Above the Falls, our vision for the Missisi
        Thanks Scott, I've seen the plan and it looks like something that came out of Walt Disney's company. Clearly the work of a consultant, perhaps it could best be termed "Fantasyland by the River".

I am a member of the Above the Falls Citizen Advisory Committee which is a 30 person board with two sets of alternates. Our representatives include representatives from neighborhoods, environmental groups, and businesses- including heavy industry that use barges.

        I and most of my neighbors had no input in the plan, in fact many folks here don't even know that it exists.

I don't mean to speak for everyone in the group but I would like to tell folks on this list a little about the vision of this thirty year plan. To see the entire plan-http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/citywork/planning/planpubs/ above-falls/report/upper-river-master-plan.pdf - size 12.8K
If you look at the city's web page and search Above the falls there are also shorter summaries.
        And a consultant eager to promote a major project that would likely bring in lots more $$$$ for them.

The plan is the result of many years and many conversations.

Major plan objectives:
Provide public access to river.

        Great idea, bit I'm thinking more along the lines of a marina. Also, why not a campground including a siding for private railroad cars (Railroad coaches converted for living in) BTW, we own 1st Street North, where the railroad tracks run.

Create a system of Riverway Streets

        Sounds great, but how many jobs will be lost to acquire the right of way?

Enhance the ecological function of river corridor.

        We could start by shutting down American Iron, which continues to leach oils and such into the river.

Link Upper River to Grand Rounds parkway system.

        Again, how many jobs will be lost?

Realize the area's potential for economic development.

        No business is likely to move or stay here until crime is brought under control. Their have been many break ins at the businesses along the riverfront, it is no surprise that many are moving out.

Establish urban design guidelines.

        Sounds like a code word for "no affordable housing".

Major Benefits of Plan Implementation
90 acres of new park

        Who's houses will be demolished and jobs will disappear to make way to take another 90 acres off the tax rolls?

15 miles of bike lanes and recreational trails

        One of the few good ideas here- trails and lanes are narrow and can fit around existing employers and housing.

4 miles of restored riverbank

        Has anyone figured out how much dirt moving and pollution cleanup this will involve- a lot of the riverfront here is fill land saturated with pollutants. Better budget a couple billion $$$$$$ for this item.

5.25 miles of parkway and boulevard

        More housing and jobs lost.
2,500 housing units in new riverfront neighborhoods

        Which we working class Northsiders wont be able to afford anyway. I live just across I-94 from the project, so I suppose I would be made homeless by "phase II" of the plan.

2,000 net additional jobs

        Sure this wasn't the number of jobs lost?
Over $10 million in additional annual tax revenue .

        After taking 90 acres off the tax rolls and spending a couple billion $$$$ on this project the city will have to raise taxes somewhere...

This is the plan that the City and Park Board have approved and is our mission to implement.

        I believe it was the last council who approved this pipe dream, their fiscal wisdom is now subject to considerable question. The Park Board will buy just about anything along the river... If any members are on the list, I'll be happy to sell you the railroad bridges over the river too.

It is encouraging to see conversations about the dynamics of the river on the list. Hopefully we can continue this conversation and look at some of the specifics of the plan.

        What's to talk about- the plan is written and will now slowly decompose on the shelves of our Municipal Library. The consultants have made the committees mind up and they're not about to change it.

Everyone on the committee is working on the improved health of the river and improving the wealth of the river experience above the Falls.

        Speaking of wealth (or my lack of same); When the city condemns our homes to clear the way for this plan, will we be able to find affordable housing anywhere in Minneapolis? Or is this another thinly veiled plan to chase working class folks from the city?

I find it very rewarding to look at the river as it was and how some of the ecological functions could be restored.
The recent presentation from the visioning group which includes the Army corps of engineers is really interesting for a variety of reasons.

        The river will never be "as it was" again. Get over it, this river is a working river, a compromise between nature and man.
Their presentation of restored river function did not eliminate the Barge Channel.

The Upper Harbor terminal will become a centerpiece of some of these discussions. We, as a city, have to figure out what to do with it. We need to look at it functions and finances.

        The Terminal has a lot of potential but has been very poorly marketed. It competes with the ports in Savage and south of St.Paul. It's competitors do not have enough capacity to handle all the agricultural products shipped from this area. The Terminal also benefits from it's connection with CP Rail, providing a flow of commodities from much of Minnesota and North Dakota. By comparison, the competition is largely dependent on Union Pacific, which does not have as large a service area. The terminal also has a lot of open space for transloading "stuff" like building materials, scrap, etc. which it's competitors lack.

        peace,
                Dyna Sluyter, 4 blocks from the River in Hawthorne

If I can be of more assistance-Please contact me off list.
The next Above the Falls Citizen Advisory is Nov. 26 6-9pm at the Eastside Neighborhood Services 1700 2nd. St. NE



I am also trying to assemble a list of neighborhood groups working on watershed issues in the Middle Mississippi Watershed aka Mississippi Watershed- which is the Minneapolis watershed that isn't in the Minnehaha Watershed district.


Thanks,
Scott Vreeland        Seward, Ward 2
Seward Neighborhood Group
River Gorge Stewards
Above the Falls Citizen Advisory Committee


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