In a message dated 2/23/03 6:58:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
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> 
>  Vicky Heller asks:
>  
>  When did self-sufficiency become a "conservative" view?
>  Does that mean that the "liberal" view is dependency?
>  
>  Many states including Texas, Florida, Nevada, and others have NO INCOME TAX
>  at all.  I wonder how they survive.
>  
>  Eric says:  Well, a couple things I know about...
>  
>  Texas - airport taxes and fees are in the 20-25% range.  My $400 a week 
>  rental car was in the $550 range after fees and taxes.  
> (Keith says; That would seem to be "progressive tax" on the more well off 
demagrahhic that takes trips and rents cars)

> Also, if you look at what passes for 'affordable housing' in some cities (I 
have been in San  Antonio and Austin and lots of little towns in between), 
they are little 
>  more than shacks with driveways.
> (Keith says; On the flipside "...what passes for 'affordable housing' 
in..." Mpls. costs up to $220,000 government dollars per unit; up to three 
times it's actual cash value, after Insider Non-Profiteering Developers cop 
their cash.)

>  Florida - you pay through the nose for everything else, especially water 
>  taxes.  And this is a state that has 'lost' a significant number of kids 
in 
>  the child welfare system.
>  (Keith says; Florida may be ahead of the curve in natural resource (water) 
conservation. When people pay a tax for use they may waste less.)

>  Conneticut - until a few years ago, had no state income tax - and some of 
>  the worst roads it has ever been my displeasure to travel.  The 
interstates,  
>  funded federally, were the only decent roads in the state.
> (Keith says; Fossil fuel is on the way out but maybe fuel tax, not income 
tax should maintain Conn.'s roads. Find alternative means of travel. Eric, we 
all know about "excess projects", think out of your car on your next visit.) 

>  You always pay.  It's just a matter of how you pay.
>  Keith says; Unfortunately; yes you pay, but you do not always get what you 
pay for. That's the rub.)

>  After living in NY for 20+ years, I KNOW how good we have it in MN as far 
as 
 >  what you get for your tax dollar.
> (Keith says; Eric, if you feel like you are getting a lot for your tax 
dollar; it may be because our state (and city) was spending, like, a buck and 
a quarter for every tax dollar collected. Now it may be time to review the 
I.O.U.'s.) 
>  Eric Oines
>  North Minneapolis
>  (Keith Reitman   NearNorth)

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