> > The fact is that it is our core cities that make this region GO. The > > suburbs live off the scraps. Moving from Minneapolis to a suburb is sort > > of like sunbathing in the REFLECTION of the sun.
(CM) I love this Middle Earth Kingdom wisdom city folk like to preach upon. Next the suburbanites will have to KowTow. If you don't catch the Chinese history reference, too bad. > > Hear, hear! > > Ignorance of this is the problem at the state level and the Axis of Eagan. (CM) Call your opponents ignorant and give them derogatory names. This must come from the "How to make enemies and problems". > > No doubt there are large numbers of people who live in the proximate > suburbs who have zero interest in visiting either city to partake of > their many amenities. (CM) Can someone define 'proximate' for me? Do I live in a 'proximate' suburb? But if we removed all the people in those suburbs > who do use the urban amenities, those suburbs would become rapidly > collapsing shells, unable to support themselves in the fashion to which > they've become accustomed. (CM) How would this be done? Cattle trains? > > The reality is that Minneapolis and St. Paul provide a panoply of > benefits to the metro area and the state. (CM) Minneapolis also provides and similar amount of cost and burden that the suburbs don't. Stunningly low graduation rates, un-addressed crime etc. Without them, most suburbs > would simply could not exist. Without them, the state the would be > ranked near last in just about all economic categories. (CM) I often wondered how it is that close to 1.4 million people just can't live without 20,000 precious Southside liberals dictating the way of the world to them. I'll let some other history minded listmember figure some comparisons. > > Unfortunately, it seems the suburban mentality among too many, including > those in power, is in direct contradiction to this fact. They need to > be educated and persuaded. Otherwise, we may as well resort to their > aggressive us vs. them tactics. (CM) The poster must be new to the politics of Minnesota. Us vs. Them has been around since the populist era. > It's too bad Minneapolis and St. Paul don't have some additional > "homerule" protections written into the state laws and constitution, as > Denver does in Colorado (although the bullies in the Colorado > legislature appear to be ready to run their bulldozer over the city of > Denver in the very near future with regards to a "shall issue" concealed > gun permit law.) With a bit more freedom from interference from the > state legislature, I'd guess that Minneapolis could more easily solve > its problems. The state did pre-empt any local gun ordinances some years ago. > Maybe it's time we begin alliances with outstate cities, who for the > most part have not figured too largely in Minneapolis' policies in the > past. The DFL city and Out State DFL used to co-operate big time, to a great success for their constituents and issues. There were glory decades. All the DFL constituencies went to the legislature with their top 5 lists and usually came back with six prizes. But that all ended about the time Perpich got beat. Issues like Conceal and Carry costed folks like Don Samuelson his seat. Taxing the crap out of cabins played well in the outstate and the city. But it drove suburbanites right into the hands of the GOP. Hatred of watercraft, BWCA, hatred of hunting, hatred of logging, pro-life. These issues and others drove the DFL right out of existence in large tracts of the state. Issue after Issue the DFL lurched so far to the Mpls-St. Paul-UofM-Carlton left that the outstate DFL became a despised minority at statewide conventions. The DFL is now close to pure. There are little real debates within the party anymore. The City-U-Carlton core has triumphed. The message is clear. The voters hate it. Conclusion- The majority of the citizens (according to polls) believe that the city is subsidized and they ( polled citizens) believe they are paying for the subsidy. Oh, how much bonding is the city requesting next time around? And for what projects? If Mpls is the center of the universe in these parts, the gravitational pull is fueled in large part by suburbanite payroll taxes. Craig Miller Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. ________________________________ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
