Mr. Mann, I have a couple of question. Who really cares what the count is? On either side
What possible difference could it make? You should possibly watch more television. The war IS going on. The polls conducted by even the liberal media indicate that a majority of Americans support that war. If you think Bush is going to slow down or stop this war with his belief that his political future and place in history are at stake you are indeed foolishly dreaming. And if you think a few more people either way will matter, it is not dreaming but hallucinating. I know in the frustration of caring so much, and being powerless to change things, one sometimes resorts to the minutia of "well there are more of us than there is of you", and "well justice is on our side". Really though, no one cares on either side of the issue. The questioning of the liberal StarTribune for being on the "Establishment" side, or the side of Bush, is as ridiculous a statement as could possibly be made. Questioning "liberal" Steve Brandt is almost, but not quite, as ridiculous. These are your chief allies, why try to put their words into disrepute? If you alienate your friends in the media, who will be left? Fox? Minneapolis should arrest enough people and fine them to pay for any police service at any demonstration. This includes both sides! Or require a bond to be filed before giving a permit for the demonstration. If there are demonstrations that get out of hand and disorderly then the costs should be taken from the bond. Those who give more than lip service to their cause will not mind paying the fines or doing the time. I do not remember taking part in any civil unrest, (and I have a few), where I was not more than willing to pay that price. Such a test would sort of weed out the ones who are doing it for fashion and fun from the ones who truly care. I do not care to pay for fashion and fun on either side. As someone who was there at the Capital on Saturday I can report that there was a very large crowd, that was somewhere above 15,000. I personally walked among the different people. Your assertions that most were not there just to support the troops, but were "Pro America's efforts in Iraq", are absolutely correct. Also, it was to a large extent a Republican political coup. The Democrats, (like myself), did feel out of place at times, though there were many of us. Another couple of pertinent observations after watching some of the other anti-war demonstrations: 1) There were almost no police present at the "Pro" demonstration; (I hear they were covering an anti-war demonstration at the same time). The crowd was incredibly well mannered and considerate. They even picked up any and all litter after the demonstration. 2) The pro-military demonstrators could seriously use some help with chants and songs. They are about as exciting as oatmeal with their USA, USA chants. I have been to church meetings with more action and acting out (particularly the washed in the blood variety when they get the spirit of Jesus). Perhaps the "Anti" group could help the "Pros", because they seem really good at it. So Mr. Mann you can brag about that, you certainly have more fun people at your demonstrations. If Steve Brandt says the "Pro" demonstration was anywhere near as fun as the "Anti" demonstration, even I will be challenging his veracity. Until that time I think Steve Brandt deserves an apology from you, and perhaps a thanks from others of us for your reporting accurately. Jim Graham, Ventura Village >"If you would not be forgotten, >as soon as you are dead and rotten, >either write things worth reading, >or do things worth the writing." - Benjamin Franklin TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. ________________________________ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls