This is clearly a the MAJOR reason that the supporters of ACCESS have not been able to 
produce any evidence to substantiate their claims of access being a panacea and 
economic engine.  ACCESS isn't always a SMART thing.

Tom Welling
CARAG




 --- On Wed 07/16,  < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
From:  [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:11:19 -0500
Subject: [Mpls] Time away. . . .  Access and local economies.

I just returned from a week's trip down south to Oklahoma.  It was good to <br>get 
away from the daily give and take of Minneapolis politics and this list; <br>it gives 
one some time mull over some of the questions before us. <br><br>It also gives one 
some perspective to see other cities.  In this case, I was <br>able to look at the 
area that I mentioned once before--Northeast Tulsa, <br>where I grew up.  To be brief, 
that lower-middle class/working class area <br>has excellent ACCESS.  There are ramps 
off I-244 every ten to twelve blocks. <br>I could zip by car downtown (roughly 4 to 5 
miles) in minutes.  Indeed, <br>downtown has excellent ACCESS, bounded as it is on 
three sides by <br>expressways with multiple exits to downtown.  I would say that 
Tulsa is a <br>extremely auto friendly city--the ramps and interstates dominate the 
city <br>and its character now. <br><br>As I mentioned before, the ramps haven't kept 
the northeast area from <br>stagnating economically.  Streets
  that used to have viable retail lives are <br>largely abandoned as local residents 
hop on the expressways to go out to <br>newer retail developments (lots of Wal-marts). 
 There are businesses that <br>replace the retail shops, but they are largely repair 
or light industrial <br>businesses, often using large stretches of former store fronts 
as storage.  <br>The most successful business within in the shadow of I-244 at 
Sheridan (near <br>my childhood home) is a HUGE convenience store/gas station.  
Admiral, which <br>in its hey day was a major east/west artery is now a shadow of its 
former <br>self when the locals used it as its major shopping destination.  The area 
<br>has bounced back a bit apparently, based on my observation.  I was told that 
<br>there has been an influx of Hispanic immigrants who, attracted to depressed 
<br>property values, are restoring the place to its tract housing charm (this is 
<br>not a slight--I grew up there). It would appear that all new clothing 
 is <br>purchased outside of the immediate vicinity. <br><br>Downtown is dead after 
6pm, as the workers jump on those excellent ramps and <br>get the hell out of Dodge.  
It's a shame really, Tulsa has fascinating <br>architecture and some character in its 
downtown.  Many of the buildings have <br>a real art deco flair. . . . <br><br>It only 
reinforces my view that putting big bucks into better auto ACCESS to <br>an area like 
south Minneapolis will ultimately NOT benefit the local economy <br>and residents. 
<br><br>In Tulsa, my son's skate boarding interest led us in search of a public 
<br>skateboard park in west Tulsa.  To get there I went down 21st Street-- a <br>main 
thoroughfare and found a thriving little section of town along the part <br>of 
downtown (east)that has the worst ACCESS to the expressway system and <br>because no 
major expressway construction has taken place, the most trees.  <br>Came back to my 
parents' house using 15th--another road without a lick of <br>AC
 CESS--and stumbled into a little section of arts, antiques, and <br>restaurants.  The 
largest and most successful Target that I saw in the inner <br>city was between 15th 
and 21st, by the way, and it is used almost <br>exclusively by local residents. 
<br><br>It was a graphic illustration of what we STRIDERs have been saying, that 
<br>ACCESS doesn't guarantee local economic development and often kills local 
<br>initiative. Indeed, I saw the pattern repeated in Tulsa.  The streets <br>furthest 
from the expressways had strongest business development for urban <br>dwellers.  The 
ACCESS nodes had lots of new gas stations and fast food <br>joints--but little else 
that was otherwise new or unique. <br><br>With all due respect to the SMART folks and 
ACCESS obsessed, I wish I could <br>take you on a tour of those excellent ramps 
throughout the north Tulsa area. <br>I doubt that you would be impressed with numbers 
of folks coming into the <br>city to hangout at those weed choked parki
 ng lots of closed retail shops <br>near the ramps. <br><br>You would be impressed 
with the ease with which you could gas up and get out <br>to a Wal-Mart or a SUPER 
Target and save a few cents on some paper towels, <br>however. <br><br>Russell 
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