----- Original Message ----- From: gemgram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mpls Forum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 3:12 PM Subject: Forum Notice and being compared to Ashcroft
> Jim Mork writes; > "Jim has lots of reasons > to assume she was agreeing with him. By the way, it just struck me in > reading his loooonnnng diatribe how much he sounds like John Ashcroft. > Crying "emergency" is the way you enable the idea that civil rights are "too > costly" (only limousine liberals really like them)." > > As some one who detests Ashcroft and feels he has done more to attack the > Constitution of the United States than any other person in my memory, I am > offended by Jim Mork's insult. But I am a big boy who finds humor in the > comparison and in Jim's description of "loooonnng diatribe". From someone as > long-winded as Jim Mork can be, that indeed could be considered a serious > charge. Also, sadly, one which I would probably have to plead guilt to. > > Isn't it amazing that Jim Mork can ride his bike down Franklin and see no > crime and drug dealing? Jim sees no emergency about the many murders > occurring in other people's neighborhood. Of course I could be just > imagining those too, but then the News keeps reporting them. Perhaps the > news media is just hyping my imagination for me, and it is just not one of > the "facts" that Jim Mork always seems to want? > > Perhaps I should rethink that Limousine liberal tag and define it as someone > who looks down from his house on the hill and scoffs at someone up to his or > her nose in flood water and assures the other person that "Its not that bad. > It has not even reached my porch yet!". Such good people are the ones who > scream about graffiti on their garage, but for some reason cannot even see > crime in the "Impacted Neighborhoods". Perhaps some people need to take off > their rose colored glasses of self-absorption and see the real world. I > guess Jim Mork needs someone shot on HIS front porch, or someone throwing a > brick through HIS window, or shooting HIS house to think there is a problem. > The news media carries almost daily stories about people being shot in the > head or beaten to death with baseball bats; and Jim Mork seems to think it > is hyperbole by me to acknowledge it happens in my neighborhood. > > Jim talks about the cost of penal institutions. Tell me Mr. Mork, if you > had the money, what would it be worth to keep your child from being > murdered, worth to keep your wife from being raped, worth to keep your > family from being terrorized? If put to the question our community would > have paid a whole lot to keep Eric Stonechild from being beaten to death > this past week. So I ask Mr. Mork to do what he continually asks others to > do, put aside your fantasy and compare real numbers and worth. What is it > worth if it is YOUR family, and YOUR community? I agree we need to do > something besides warehousing people and giving them the time to strengthen > the criminal subculture, but if you do not have a captive audience you will > not get very far with your sermons and education. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ----------------------------- > Zippin Zack's Notice and Threat of Law Suit: > > Zippin Zack is correct when he says, " I have never been escorted from > anywhere, at anytime, by any law enforcement agency!" if he is only talking > about the last Ventura Village meeting. He WAS NOT escorted out by the > police to my knowledge. He either left before they got there, or left on > his own as they were arriving. Were the police called because Zack was > screaming, disturbing the peace, and being very threatening to people in > their own neighborhood meeting? Yes! I think more than one person called > them. > > With at least two ministers, among a room full of witnesses, who were very > upset by Basim's and Zack's zippin, I am sure enough testimony could be > found to cause Zack's lawyers to think twice about spurious suits and > counter claims for legal fees. So have at it Zack. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > --------------------------------- > Question for Barb Lickness: > > It was reported by people sitting alongside her, that Barb Lickness was > getting an earful from Basim Sabri about what he was going to do. Perhaps > something he was planning for Ventura Village? Perhaps Barb could clarify > exactly what Mr. Sabri boasted he was going to do? Or threatened he was > going to do? It was only hear say to me so I will not repeat it at this > time, but as a direct source Barb Lickness might be able to shed some light > on this matter. Don't worry about suits Barb; other people heard it also. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > --------------------------------- > > Question for United States Attorney Hefelfinger (I hope I did not butcher > the spelling too badly) > > Some folks say talk of "owning" politicians and taking over neighborhoods is > just loud mouthed boasting and should be ignored. But when does loudmouthed > boasting become threatening, and when does it warrant a full investigation > by the Justice Department and the Hennepin County Attorney? Perhaps > attorneys on the "List" might tell us, "What ever happened to the RICO Act > in this country"? Is US Attorney Hefelfinger assigning someone to > investigate this matter? I seem to remember something about taking over > union organizations and suborning voter fraud as part of the reason for > RICO. Perhaps the US Attorney should look at some Mid-Western versions. > Just the bragging about doing so should at least warrant an investigation, > one would think. > > Jim Graham, > Ventura Village > > >"Why is it the Mongols of this world always tell us they're defending us > against the Mongols?" > > TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) ________________________________ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
