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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Police chief candidates (Jay Clark)
2. Holiday opportunities to support Mpls Public Libraries (Dee Tvedt)
3. Re: Police Chief Candidates ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
4. Fw: Political bias in the Mpls schools (Anderson & Turpin)
5. Re: goods below cost (Anderson & Turpin)
6. DT Shuttle Hijacked by Krinke's Agenda...for now (Bob's Yahoo Mail)
7. RE: DT Shuttle Hijacked (David Brauer)
8. The Mayor and the Stadium..A Home for the Twins/Not for Persons Who are Homeless ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
9. Re: Local Government Aid (Anderson & Turpin)
10. Re: The Mayor and the Stadium..A Home for the Twins/Not
for Persons Who are Homeless (Mark Snyder)
11. Voting by Mail in 2005? (Steven Clift)
12. The Right Kind of Advocacy ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
13. RE: Voting by Mail in 2005? (Michael Atherton)
14. RE: The Mayor and the Stadium..A Home for the Twins/Notfor Persons Who are Homeless (Michael Atherton)
15. CITIES RIVALRY - Mayors Kelly/Ryback Compete Rather Than
Cooperate: (Eva Young)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:19:16 -0600
From: Jay Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: David Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Mpls] Police chief candidates
When I was at the Jordan Area Community Council, we worked with sergeant
Sharon Lubinski on a project that closed 50 drug houses in 18 months,
and then on opening one of the first police substations at Penn and
Lowry.
I was very impressed with Sharon Lubinski as a tough, no-nonsense police
officer, totally dedicated to her job a nd able to get things done.
Sharon is very sharp, and ready and willing to think outside the box.
At the same time, I found her to be very loyal to her fellow police
officers.
I have appreciated how, for years and years and years, Sharon Lubinski
has quietly lived in Minneapolis' Standish-Ericsson neighborhood.
Sharon is also one of the Minneapolis police department's main
proponents of Community Oriented Policing.
A couple of years ago, I worked with some St. Paul police on a Community
Oriented Policing project. Sharon Lubinski was the first name they
mentioned as a Minneapolis police officer that they liked to work with.
I have not worked with any of the other candidates, and I am not trying
to compare Sharon Lubinski's credentials with anybody else.
I am confident that Sharon Lubinski would be a strong, effective and
committed chief for the Minneapolis police department.
Jay Clark
Cooper
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:29:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Dee Tvedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Mpls] Holiday opportunities to support Mpls Public Libraries
As you may know, hours and staffing at Minneapolis Public Libraries will be reduced,
starting Jan. 5, 2004, due primarily to a decrease in Local Government Aid from the
State of Minnesota. For more info, go to: http://www.mplib.org/hours2004.asp
Here are some fun and easy ways to help financially support the library during this
holiday season.
*Unique Cookbook in the Works*
Just in time for holiday gift-giving (well, almost): The Minneapolis Public Library
fundraising cookbook "Food for Thought" is in publication. 450 recipes include
everything from the best of regional favorites to Egyptian candy circa 1600 B.C. The
cookbooks are due to arrive in mid-January. Holiday gift certificates are
available.
Special advanced sales price of $8.50/book is now being offered to the public; this
price is limited to advance sales only and will increase to $9.50/book after the
cookbooks arrive. For more info, and to reserve a copy, go to:
http://mplib.org/cookbook.asp
Proceeds from the cookbook sales will help fund the Minneapolis Public Library
Operating and Personnel Budgets.
*City Center Promotion*
Brookfield Properties has started a benefit program for the New Central Library
Project. This excerpt from the Pioneer Press on November 26 explains it: "At City
Center, shoppers who spend $150 can receive a "Boyd's Bear" teddy bear, or they can
choose to donate the value of the bear to the Downtown Central Library. 'We don't
say how much that is," said Cathy Rankin, marketing manager for City Center. "But
it's a nice way to support the library.'" To complement this, City Center has posted
billboard -sized graphics promoting the library and the capital campaign.
*Blues Event to be Rescheduled*
Rene� Austin, 2003 Minnesota Music Awards Blues Artist of the Year, will
bring together local blues musicians for AT YOUR FINGERTIPS, an evening of music to
support providing and promoting the American art form of Blues, Roots, and Soul
music to children and adults in our public libraries. The concert was previously set
for December 3 at Bunkers Music Bar and Grill. Due to artist scheduling
difficulties, the Blues Event has been postponed until January 2004, date to be
determined. For more info contact Rachel Fulkerson, Friends of MPL, (612) 630-6174.
Dee Tvedt
Stevens Square-Loring Heights &
Minneapolis Public Library employee
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Message : 3
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 01:45:15 EST
Subject: Re: [Mpls] Police Chief Candidates
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> Can anyone imagine what our REAL military would look like if
> this hierarchy were the norm?
>
> The structure is the fault. We don't need liaisons. We don't
> need facilitators, We don't need to shred a weak mayor in the half of his term.
> We need a new leadership structure.
Jon
Gorder
Loring
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Message: 4
From: "Anderson & Turpin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:54:47 -0600
Subject: [Mpls] Fw: Political bias in the Mpls schools
This is one of my posting s that disappeared into the ether of virtual land
last week, so I'm sending it again.
> I have to mostly agree with Michael Atherton on this one. I sure as heck
> don't want teachers foisting their own viewpoints on my kids, whether it
be
> religious, economic or political. Even Michael's example of comparing the
> ten commandments posted by the Alabama judge to the "Peace education"
> brochure makes a certain amount of sense, even though at first I thought
it was a bit
> of a reach. Sure the judge's
> behavior is illegal under the Constitution as an establishment of
religion,
> while teaching "Peace" in a public school is not. But this is a policy
> matter, not a legal one. Why should it be verboten to use government
> resources to support a religion, but acceptable to use these resources to
> support a philosophic point of view?
>
> Many have responded that all education is political. Th eir point of view
> seems to be that because one can't be completely objective, why try at
all?
> I think it is worth the effort. There is a continuum between total
> objectivity and total propaganda. We can't get all the way to
objectivity,
> but lets try to stay on that side of the line.
>
> I agree that the schools have to teach some values in order to function.
> "Knowledge is good" is something the schools presumably promote as part of
their mission.
> Also, the schools must value order in the classroom, or nothing would get
> done. And the schools must dictate which things are the most important to
> learn in the classroom. For example, the schools have decided that it is
important to
> teach Math. They could have decided that the kids will learn everything
> they need to know through osmosis or something. (Oh, wait a minute. The
> school has pretty much decided that, at least for bas ic arithmetic facts,
> through their embracing of the "Chicago Method.")
>
> But the schools do not have to teach a particular philosophical point of
> view, except as a study of many different politics held by various groups
> (and even that isn't appropriate at the elementary school level, beyond a
> superficial review of different groups). When I speak of objectivity, I
> mean teaching should be of what is known to be true, or at least accepted
by
> the vast majority of people (in other words, we can dismiss the Flat Earth
> Society).
>
> Objectivity is hardest to achieve in the area of social studies, as is
> obvious by the big to-do about the state standards. The school does
> inevitably express its values by what facts it teaches in history, what
> countries get studied in geography, and which government processes it
> discusses in civics. But when the school starts making value judgments
> about these facts to their captive audience, they've moved into the realm
of
> propaganda. The school obviously shouldn't support any particular
religion
> (or religion in general). They also shouldn't be teaching patriotism.
And they
> shouldn't be teaching "Peace Education."
>
> Several posters seem to be confusing teaching "Peace" with maintaining
order
> in the classroom. Whenever I've heard the discussion of "Peace
Education,"
> it's always related to the relationships between countries, not between
> individuals in a school. And if you think that these two facets are
related, well
> that's a philosophical point of view that I do not share. There is a real
> value to teaching peace education, or to use the more old-fashioned term,
> the delicate art of diplomacy. But to get much out of this
> education, the student must already have a pretty good understanding of
geography,
> history, sociology, economics, government structures, and psychology. In
> other words, it's probably a college course. It can only be taught at the
> elementary school level as propaganda. Or does someone have an idea how
> young kids can be taught something useful in the area of conflicts between
> nations?
>
> Two of the posters said that their own education in the Mpls public
schools
> included a lot of right wing ideology being taught. Well, I hope we can
> strip that out also. Could you two please give examples of what you are
> talking about? My experience with my kids (3rd grade and 7th grade) is
that
> they do occasionally bring home things in which I see left wing ideology,
but
> I've not once seen any right wing stuff.
> I think it's a real bad idea to try to fill young minds with the values of
the teacher, the principal, or the education
> establ ishment. The value you're really teaching is that values are not
something each person decides on, but something that is
> taught and used intact for the rest of ones life. I know that's a pretty
common behavior of schools, but that's why many of us have > little respect
for what we learned back in the grades. Who knows what "knowledge" they
taught you had some basis in reality,
> and which is just someone's opinion.
>
> Mark V Anderson
> Bancroft
>
>
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Message: 5
From: "Anderson & Turpin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Minneapolis Issues Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Mpls] goods below cost
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:02:03 -0600
Here's another of my posts that disappeared into Mpls List Purgatory:
> > > Aaron Klemz writes:
> > > I'd love to see some empirical (heck, I'll settle for ANECDOTAL)
support
> for
> > > the argument that providing adequate shelter cots for folks to avoid
> sleeping
> > > outside in the winter makes more people either:
> > > a) Give up their housing to "take advantage" of the "sweeter" shelter
> system,
> > > or
> > > b) relocate to the Twin Cities since they can now be assured of a spot
> in a
> > > temporary shelter.<<<
> > >
> MG Stinnet responded:
> > > It's a pretty basic fundamental principle of economics that whenever
you
> > > provide a product (or service) for a price below the cost of producing
> it, the
> > > quantity demanded of that product will rise to consume all of it. This
> is why
> > > "emergency" food pantries continually report that their numbers of
> patrons
> > > "are at record levels."
> > >
> > > It's also why there are always waiting lists for subsidized
> housing--which is
> > > what shelter beds are.
> >
>
> Mark Snyder adds:
> > Somehow, I managed to graduate from the U of MN without taking an
> economics
> > course. If M. G. Stinnett's characterization above is an accurate
> > description of what I missed, I'm now even more glad that I didn't.
> >
> > To suggest that there are always waiting lists for shelter beds because
> some
> > economic principle dictates it is pretty silly. While there are
> exceptions,
> > I'm reasonably sure that most people do not willingly choose
homelessness,
> > even with the temptation of that chance for a free shelter bed each
night.
>
> Mark Anderson answers:
> Maybe you should have taken some of those econ classes. I am sure that
> emergency food shelves are patronized quite heavily by people that simply
> prefe r to spend their money somewhere else, because the food is free.
It's
> human nature to accept free stuff if the alternative is to pay for it. I
> think most people won't do it because they'd feel guilty about taking
> advantage of a charity like that, but there will always be a certain
> percentage that don't care. In the case of emergency food shelves, I
> certainly agree with MG that we should make it "hard" to accept such food,
> so that there is enough food available for the truly desperate. I'm not
> sure how to do this. Maybe require some services from the recipients in
> exchange for the food.
>
> However, shelters are another story. I imagine there is little advantage
> taken of shelters that limit the number of times someone can stay each
> month, other than by people just passing through. Since most places rent
by
> the week or month, there would be little advantage to stay somewhere free
> just occasionally.
>
> But if the shelter allows someone to stay there every night for an
> indefinite period, then I'm sure there are many folks taking advantage of
> it. In my more disreputable days, soon after I got out of high school, I
> traveled with lots of folks that were always looking for such schemes to
> avoid spending any money. Heck, there were several books written in the
> '60's and '70's about how how to survive on almost nothing. The one I
> remember was "Steal This Book," by Abbie Hoffman. Maybe such books are
> still being written, I don't know.
>
> MG Stinnett wrote:
> > > Some may be incapable of such change because of mental illness. Of
> these, some
> > > can be helped by treatment, some can't. We used to institutionalize
the
> > > latter; now we don't.
> >
>
> Mark Snyder responds:
> > And that begs the question: why do we no longer institutionalize the
> > mentally ill who cannot be helped through treatment? I realize that can
> > present a different set of problems, but is it worse than letting such
> folks
> > wander the streets? Did we stop this practice because we wanted to
> > demonstrate "caring of the highest sort" or because we decided that our
> tax
> > dollars could be better spent elsewhere? And if the latter, what are
they
> > being spent on instead?
>
>
> Mark Anderson answers:
> Please please please don't start pushing institutionalization of the
> mentally ill. That is one area in which we are much improved over our
> forebears. I agree that the de-institutionalization of the mentally ill
has
> greatly worsened our homelessness problem. But the solution is not to put
> such people behind locked doors, as was done in the past. If I was
mentally
> ill, I can't imagine preferring to be locked in a mental ward my whole
life,
> over having a difficult time surviving out in the real world. Perhaps we
> should have more voluntary mental institutions, where the "inmates" can
> leave if they wish. But I don't think that'll help the homeless problem
> much, because most mentally ill aren't so crazy that they'd rather live in
> prison.
>
> Mark V Anderson
> Bancroft
>
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:31:04 -0600
From: Bob's Yahoo Mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Minneapolis Issues Forum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Mpls] DT Shuttle Hijacked by Krinke's Agenda...for now
The oft-cranky Phil Krinkie has struck again.
A free shuttle bus was planned to serve downtown cultural and entertainment
attractions along with the light-rail stations. It was planned as a key
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