In response to: Neal Krasnoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Mpls] Desegregation vs. Anti-Racism Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 21:31:12 -0600
White flight. What causes white flight? [...]Crime.
What are you implying? That non-white people aren't affected by crime? Or that non-white people are criminals?
There is no implication. It is a statement. Crime causes white flight.
In my experience in Brooklyn, when blacks moved into the
neighborhood, crime went up, we had riots in our Junior High
and High Schools, and the white ethics moved out. That is historical fact.
If I have so much power, then why am I climbing utility poles in sub-zero weather?
If you have so little power, why do you have a job, a place to live in Loring Park and the leisure and internet access to post to this list?
I have a job because I work, I am competent at my job, the corporation pays me a salary negotiated on my behalf by my union, and with that salary I am able to live a decent life - which is <exactly> why we have trade unions, and what the union movement in the United States was all about.
Which white people? From what continent? Which religion? Which ethnic background? In what profession are they? Where do they live?
White people exert power *as a class* -- some individual members may have more or less power.
A cabal of white people of divergent ethic and religious backgrounds. Interesting theory. Mind expounding on that?
Anti-racism supposes that white folks ought to give up their privilege, accept the perceptions and experiences of people of color as valid and real, and work to improve those experiences for all.No, you first. Tell me how it works out for you, then get back to me.
So, if you admit that white people DO have privilege, what then is your moral justification for working to retain and reproduce it?
Translation: let <him> go through his auto da fe first.
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WAMM - Women Against Military Madness - anti-racist?Well, yes, if by "anti-racist" you mean "believing that racism is wrong and should be opposed."
Because you may have missed it on one of my posts:
WAMM - Women Against Military Madness - anti-racist?
"WAMM's Committees: Iraq Committee/Campaign to End the Sanctions The WAMM Iraq Committee/Campaign to End the Sanctions [...] works both independently and in coalition as a member of the Iraq Peace Action Coalition (IPAC). "
Source: http://www.worldwidewamm.org/wamm/programs.html ------ "The Green Party of MN Coordinating Committee agreed unanimously to join the Iraq Peace Action Committee (IPAC) [...] IPAC's member organizations include Babylon Cultural Center, Code Pink, Freedom Road Socialist Organization, May Day Books, Minneapolis Lysistrata Project, Students for Justice in Palestine, Speak Out Sisters!, TC Campaign to Lift the Sanctions, Welfare Rights Committee, Women Against Military Madness, and the Anti War Committee."
Source: http://mngreens.org/news.php?action=fullnews&id=16 ------ "The Anti-War Committee [...] [sees] Israel as an illegitimate apartheid state..."
Source: http://antiwarcommittee.org/resources/Palestine/FreePalestine.html
Before you have the nerve to lecture this city about racism, you must first explain how WAMM is promoting an anti-racist environment in Minneapolis, when they, and the Green Party, are part of an organization with a membership roster that includes anti-semites. ------
Until you've survived race riots at your junior high school, Mr. Oines, you haven't lived.Wow, I guess we should just shut this list down then, huh Mr. Krasnoff? Because obviously the majority of people on this list who haven't survived a jr. high school race riot are categorically unable to formulate any kind of intelligent thoughts on race, city policy or anything at all, existing as we do in this sort of half-life where all of our perceptions are impaired by our lack of Neal Krasnoff-approved street cred.
That a majority of the members of this list may or may not have been through race riots is immaterial. What is material, however, is the legitimacy of my experiences as historic fact. Integration, at least in my part of Brooklyn, was a failure.
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However, it's even more important that those of us who have embarked on such a journey organize ourselves to turn those personal changes into political ones.
La lua continua.
Neal Krasnoff Loring Park
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