A smoking ban is NOT about making outcasts of smokers or denying their humanity! It is not about the legality of cigarettes. And the self-serving comment that the proposed ban being "not about public health; it's about controlling the lives of others" is nonsense.
Smoking in public places is a public health issue because the smoke poses a significant to others! Despite furious attempts by the Tobacco Institute and allies to discredit an impressive array of data demonstrating the linkage, the public seems to have rightfully concluded that second hand smoke is neither healthy nor tolerable. We do not allow people do discard their garbage wherever one wishes. Every household produces some waste/garbage in food preparation and we have strict rules about how it is to be disposed of. Down the disposal perhaps, into a compost heap maybe, or into the trash bag and then into the container - but never do we tolerate using the neighbors yard - or your own for that matter - as the dumping ground. Tobacco smoke exhaled into the air is in fact the garbage produced by smoking and we ought to treat it as such. If Minneapolis enacts the proposed ban smokers will still be able smoke - but bars and restaurants would be off limits just as airplanes, theaters, classrooms and a host of other public accommodations are. Not because anyone is trying to control their behavior but because most folks don't want someone else's garbage in their face. Jim Bernstein Fulton -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 5:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] Re: Mpls Digest, Vol 6, Issue 1-Tobacco Scam I didn't have the courage to go to the St.Paul hearing on the ban because I expected I would be flayed. I'm even more wary of commenting here, because I'm so outnumbered. However, Atherton's irreverence gave me a chuckle and I wanted to point out this letter that appeared in the Strib on Sunday. Tyrannical smoking ban The May 27 Star Tribune article about the smoking ban debate in St. Paul reminded me of one of my favorite quotes from C.S. Lewis: "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." Regardless of what ban supporters say, this is not about public health; it's about controlling the lives of others. These people simply cannot stand the fact that people enjoy smoking and they will use every lie in the book to try to deny people that right. Even as a nonsmoker who abhors smoking, I feel this type of thinking is far more dangerous than secondhand smoke ever could be. Gene Eliasen, Minneapolis. I trust Mr. Eliason will excuse my quoting a public letter. And I really don't want to offend: I want to have the guts to speak for at least some smokers because this has become such a rancorous issue. I rarely go out and didn't think I cared about banning smoke in bars and restaurants. But the more letters I've read (sometimes really contemptuous), the more I've thought this is getting out of hand. I feel as if non-smokers are saying they should get to go EVERYWHERE they choose, while smokers aren't allowed to go ANYWHERE. There are even some counties banning smoking in public parks, because they don't want their children exposed to bad examples. Yikes. I'm about as far left as one can get, but sometimes I think "the state where everything is against the law" sort of fits. Atherton offers an idea about a compromise and there is an instant rush to rebut. When people quote the statistic of 70-80% who don't smoke, they don't seem to recognize that the other 20-30% are people, too. Remember Shylock saying "Hath not a Jew eyes? ... senses, affections, passions? fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons... warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? " I expect to be skewered for calling on Shakespeare, but it does hurt to be such an outcast. One more point before the flaying and skewering. This comment made me see a possible generation/entertainment gap: I can't wait to breathe smoke-free air at First Ave, Fine Line, Uptown Dinner, or other places to see great local bands I have NEVER been to any of those places. I became addicted to nicotine 40 years ago. My partying days are over. Is there some way these places can be convinced to go smokefree? Can other compromises at least be considered that don't involve quarantining a quarter of the population for using what is not only a legal substance but one that governments profit from shamelessly? REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? 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