On 6/17/04 7:31 PM, "Jim McGuire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Neal Krasnoff wrote: > > >> If you in the Green party, had the upper hand, you'd probably do the same. >> It's all about power, whether Green, DFL, or Republican. The "oppressed >> martyr" schtick is old. You should try something else: the days of >> vaudeville have long passed. > > Apparently saying "You'd do it too!" passes for intellectual > argument. It's especially touching when no evidence of such is offered. I > suppose children should put up with schoolyard bullies because "if they > were bigger they could bully people around too." There is no evidence because the Greens have not yet achieved the power the other two parties have in Minneapolis. The Greens, I suspect, are not exempt from the human failings of the mere mortals in the DFL and Republican parties. It was speculation. A theory. The Left has proven itself to be totalitarian: see the 20th Century for details. >> I can't take the complaints of the Greens - read the Left - very seriously, >> knowing that your platform takes the side of cop killers and violent >> insurrectionists, and if give the chance, would impose a pleasantly >> authoritarian form of State control upon its subjects - that's us, ladies >> and gentlemen. > > This is more absurd then the first statement. The Green Party is based on > the values of Non-Violence, Grassroots Democracy, Ecology, and Social > Justice. Apparently as a result Greens are defending non-violent social > justice minded cop killers. Here goes: "Greens support the right of women to full reproductive freedom and to determine the degree of technological intervention, including abortion, that they deem necessary for their own care and protection regardless of ability to pay". Abortion not a non-violent act. The Minneapolis Greens, following their State platform, will no doubt try to enforce that tax money, collected from the citizens and business owners in the city shall be used to pay for abortions for those unable to pay. Violates Minnesota Constitution, Article I, Section 16. "The Greens recognize that ... All sentient beings have natural rights as individuals and these rights should be respected". How will Fido assert his rights? Since he won't be able to tell us, will the Greens establish a Guardian Ad Litem bureau at the Hennepin County Courthouse, and place animals on the same legal standing as children? "Community members must be involved directly in crime control in their own communities, through citizen police boards, recruitment of police officers from areas to be patrolled, and neighborhood watch programs". Assignment of black officers to black areas and white officers to white areas. Not unlike de jure segregation. "The justice system should be freed from discrimination based on ... economic status, class and race". Actual unlawful constitutional violations, or perceived discrimination by statistics? "The Greens support efforts to review improprieties in prosecutions that appear politically motivated, including convictions of individuals ... Including" ... Leonard Peltier: currently serving two consecutive life sentences for the murder of two federal law enforcement officers; Alejendina Torres: sentenced to 35 years in federal prison for: Seditious Conspiracy, Possession of an unregistered firearm, Conspiracy to make destructive devices, Unlawful storage of explosives, and Interstate transportation of a stolen vehicle, granted clemency by President Clinton; Geronimo Ji-Jaga: former member of a violent criminal gang, convicted for kidnapping and murder, released by the Court; Mumia Abu-Jamal: Convicted for the murder of a police officer; Eddie Hatcher: convicted for the armed seizure of a newspaper, released for humanitarian reasons, subsequently arrested and convicted for murder. They don't sound very non-violent. (cite: http://mngreens.org/platform.php ) If the Minnesota, and by extension, the Minneapolis Greens lend their support to positions such as the above, what will they have in store for us when they - hopefully never - achieve power in Minneapolis? >The Green Party is based on the values of Non-Violence >This is more absurd then the first statement. You betcha. Neal Krasnoff Loring Park REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract ________________________________ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
