Jeff Carlson wrote:
WM: In your opinion, which opinion held no sway with the majority of this large PAC.To date, the two most compelling visions for Lake Street have not come from the PAC process or the City Council, but rather the Lake Street Midtown Greenway Corridor Framework Plan drafted in 1999 and the recently released Project for Public Spaces (PPS)report, commissioned by the McKnight foundation.
WM: There was absolutely no attempt on anyone's part to keep any information from anyone. To say so is to lie outright. However, this is a PAC of adults who can be expected to do their own research.Even so, the traffic planners from Hennepin County kept this information from the PAC, just as they kept the PPS report a secret.
Instead, they continued toWM: 11' is a state standard. To deviate from this standard, the county must ask for and be granted a variance. They did. Variance granted to the tune of with 2" or 4", exactly what was to be expected. They told the same thing to Sharon Sayles Belton some 12 years ago when the city had charge of Lake St. The state is adamant on this issue.
insist that Lake Street fit into the same mold and
comply with the so-called "State Aide Standards". These standards dictate that streets with traffic
volumes above 15,000 cars per day must have 4 lanes,
that lanes must be 11' wide
the county has forced the PAC to accept theWM: The county, in the persons of Jim Grube, Gail Dorfman, and Peter McLaughlin has not forced one thing on me as a member of the PAC and, unless you are saying that they took your out in the alley and persuaded you to something as yet unstated, they have forced nothing on you, either.
old outdated standards.
WM: I didn't think their figures were vague nor is Lake St. considered "in isolation." How could it be when it intersects with every major south Mpls. street.The county considered Lake Street in isolation using vague predictions of traffic growth over twenty years.
WM: These recommendations have not been suppressed by anyone. What you seem to be saying is that if, in each of those packed with chores meetings, Smith Parker and Grube did not mention these studies/reports, that is not suppression. Yes, if one wanted to do a thorough search, one could find sixty-elevendy other world-wide planners hired by that many philanthropists who will disagree with this county engineering office and this set of engineers, architects, and etc. So what? This is not college. This is a PAC process designed to work with these engineers and this county for this specific street.Not surprisingly, these recommendations have been surpressed by the county and by Smith Parker. They don't want us to know that a world-renowned urban planning firm, hired by a respected local philanthropist, contradicts their plans for Lake Street.
They put their own reputations above theWM: Always wrap yourself in the flag. Then if your argument won't fly, you can accuse your opponents of being "un-American." Humbug!
democratic principle of free-flowing ideas.
This process, like the 35W Access Project, was begun in 1994. Everyone and his cousin was invited to be a part of the process to shape South Mpls. Those of us who were paying attention were there. Where were you?
This past year is the d�nouement of a long process. To come in, when were are this close to being finished with the public portion, and to declare that the whole thing should start over specifically to include your ideas and exclude the ones on the drawings is the height of arrogance.
No one, but no one, was excluded, but 9 years into a 10 year process is no time to decide to start over. We will all have to live with these choices. In forty years (beginning in 05 when this portion of the road is finished), you can start organizing the process that will then look at Lake St. Have fun.
WizardMarks, Central
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