>>>>> "MA" == Michael Atherton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

    MA> Robert P. Goldman wrote:

    >> With all due respect to Mr. Atherton, As a parent of public school
    >> children, I haven't seen a lot of evidence of public school employees
    >> being obstacles to my children's education.  My experience is pretty
    >> limited to Jefferson Community school, but I have been very, very
    >> impressed with the teachers, principal, vice principal, and even the
    >> much-maligned office staff.
    >> 
    >> I am not happy with everything, but my impression of the employees I
    >> see in day-to-day contact with students and parents is very favorable.

    MA> Jefferson Community School

    MA> Minnesota Basic Skills Test Percent Passing
    MA> Grade 8
    MA> Reading  51%
    MA> Math     33%

    MA> Minnesota Comprehensive Assessment Percent Proficient
    MA> Grade 3
    MA> Reading  39%
    MA> Math     58%
    MA> Grade 5
    MA> Reading  51%
    MA> Math       55%

    MA> Percent of Students Making A Year's Growth
    MA> Reading  53%
    MA> Math     59%

    MA> Tests scores are not everything, but they are general indicators
    MA> of typical performance.  My personal opinion is that the performance 
    MA> level at Jefferson Community School is unacceptable, but I'm sure 
    MA> there might be a lot of nice people who work there.  Nice and
    MA> student achievement don't always correlate, neither do management
    MA> style and organizational success.  Mr. Goldman's disconnect with
    MA> the overall performance for students at Jefferson illustrates why
    MA> testing is so critical for educational reform, without it we could
    MA> go on for years believing that everything is just fine and dandy.

It's worth pointing out that Jefferson is a location that takes a
large proportion of students who do not speak English as their first
language, and so they have a real uphill push.  The question we should
be asking is "how are these numbers trending?"  If they are trending
down, then Michael has a good point, and my partial view is probably
wrong.  If they are trending up, then maybe my perception is the more
accurate one.  Anyone know how to find this information?  I did a
little preliminary googling, but could find only the single data
point.  If we have only a one-year snapshot, then it is impossible to
say which of us is more correct.

-- 

Robert P. Goldman
ECCO
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