This is exactly one of the points I made to my city councilperson and the various state legislators I mailed and emailed regarding the ban.
My original point was, and still is, this: I suspect 99% of smoking ban proponents will never stoop low enough to patronize 99% of the bars affected by the ban. I'll bet my paycheck that virtually NO ban proponents will ever deign to set foot in Adrians or the Cardinal Bar or any of the working class establishments in NE. The ban is about elitists being able to listen to "jazz" at their whim without having to shower when they got home. The bars that will struggle to survive.....well, that's just tough luck. I believe many smoking ban proponents wanted their trendy jazzy-spots to be smoke free for their own selfish interests, but packaged it as a "public health" measure. Incredibly disingenous. One of the inherent qualities of the ban was a subtle elitism espoused by its proponents. Smoking is, for the most part, a habit of the lower SES classes. Not only did ban proponents know what was better for people, but in the adoption of the ban an implicit patronization was occuring through the "legal" protection of these less informed individuals to protect them from themselves. This is a slippery slope that that is bound to occur again...... pushed by a city council emboldened by abdication of personal choice and spine by their constituents. How pathetically sad. Mike Thompson Windom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Wieland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mpls Forum'" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 5:24 PM Subject: [Mpls] Smoking ban participation > I've been following the businesses that have been benefiting from the ban. > That is good. However, there are businesses that were crushed last > week-end. Many of the neighborhood bars in Northeast Minneapolis suffered > major financial loses. It is really important that people behind the > marketing to get non-smokers out focus on more than just the trendy places. > The Dakota was already smoke-free. Let's get some people into the small > neighborhood joints where businesses are currently in danger. Walk the talk > and spend some money. Start a non-smoking dart league. If you're a > non-smoker, learn to bowl. > > If businesses start to go under, the ban will be revised, just as it was in > Duluth. If the ban is to stay, non-smokers have to do a lot more than buy a > beer once per month at Chino Latino. People have got to get out. > > Jeremy Wieland > Northeast > Candidate, 3rd Ward City Council > www.jeremywieland.blogs.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Tom Taylor > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 7:00 AM > To: Dan; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mpls Forum' > Subject: RE: [Mpls] Smoking ban night 2 > > Your list also seems to be a bit out of date: > Tejas > 800 Nicollet Mall > > That was in the Conservatory which was torn down years ago. > > One non-smoking local missing from the list is the Bryant Lake Bowl. > > The claim that virtually all bars in Minneapolis are restaurant/bars needs > to be challenged with a visit to NE MPLS. Sure you may be able to get > things to eat, snacky crap like chips and peanuts and perhaps a choice of > pizzas but I I would not say virtually all bars in Minneapolis are such. > Over half of sales coming from food is one good barometer. > > Tom Taylor > Sheridan > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Dan > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:00 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mpls Forum' > Subject: Re: [Mpls] Smoking ban night 2 > > > Liz wrote: "just for the record there are no bars on this list" > > Absolutely NOT true. Many are bar/restaurants (virtually all bars in > Minneapolis are). Martini Blu springs to mind. When presented facts which > undermine your position, your response is to stoop to outright lying? > Typical of ban supporters, I suppose. Facts, science and freedom are > obstacles easily discarded "for the public good." Also note, my list is not > comprehensive, and includes only businesses in the Minneapolis city limits. > >From that limited list only, the following pre-ban smoke-free > establishments > are/have bars: > > Arcadia Cafe http://www.acadiacafe.com/ > Bobino Cafe &Wine Bar http://www.bobino.com/main/main.htm (full bar) > Broders http://www.broders.com/pasta-bar/wine-list.html > Cav� Vin (wine bar) > Chipotle (full bar, surprizingly enough) > http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/stories/1999/03/01/story8.html > Corner Table http://www.cornertablerestaurant.com/wine.htm (seperate > non-smoking bar area) > Da Afghan Express (serve alchohol - not sure if it is/has a bar) > D'Amico & Sons http://www.mplshappyhour.com/bars_detail.php?bar=251 > Edina Grill http://www.edinagrill.com/about.htm > El Meson (serve drinks - not sure about the bar) http://www.elmeson-mn.com/ > Famous Dave's http://www.famousdaves.com/restaura.cfm (full bar) > First Course > Giorgio (bar & lounge) http://www.mplshappyhour.com/bars_detail.php?bar=100 > Kafe 421 http://www.kafe421.com/musicevents.htm > Lucia's Restaurant & Wine Bar > Maria's http://www.mariascafe.com/index.htm > Martini Blu http://www.martiniblu.com/ > Oddfellows http://www.oddfellowsrestaurant.com/ > Palomino http://www.palomino.com/index.php?cook=1&locations=Minneapolis > Pizza Nea http://www.mplshappyhour.com/bars_detail.php?bar=6 > Sapor Cafe & Bar http://www.mplshappyhour.com/bars_detail.php?bar=180 > Soba's http://www.mplshappyhour.com/bars_detail.php?bar=124 > > Let me also add to the list: > Loring Grill, which has a full service bar, > http://www.tcdine.com/restaurants/loring_grill_minneapolis.htm, > The Craftsman Restaurant & Bar http://www.craftsmanrestaurant.com > The Longfellow Grill - Full bar (pretty sure was non-smoking, but never > visited) > Bon Appetit (live music, drinks, no smoking) SE Mpls. > > Non-smokers have had loads of options for smoke-free venues. Greed has > resulted in all for them, none for us, even if it means closing "our" places > down rather than let concenting adults expose themselves to smoke. My > retired widower neighbor now drives to Burnsville for breakfast, when he > used to go to a local grille. My next pub visit won't be Molly Quinns > (sorry! I liked the place, but I like my smokes with my Guiness). It will be > the Dubliner. There's no way I'll return to First Avenue as long as the ban > is in place. As a club with a cover, they don't allow re-entry. My once > favorite night-spot now sucks. Hope all you anti-smokers get out there for > techno DJs and punk rock this weekend! I'll be in St. Paul. > > Dan McGrath > Longfellow > http://www.subversivepictures.com > http://www.smokeoutgary.org > > REMINDERS: > 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. > If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. > > 2. 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