You just got back from Manhattan. . .Kansas or New York? NYC has been smokeless for years.

Gary Dombouy
Whittier

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Brionna Harder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected]
Sent: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:56:46 -0500
Subject: Re: [Mpls] How quickly we get used to a smoke-free environment (but not to Hooters)

Your comments illustrate one of the fundamental problems with the smoking
ban: it's something that you find convenient, so the fundamental
incorrectness and "unjustness" of the ban is of little practical consequence
to you.

A mature outlook of the smoking ban is the ability of an individual to look
past their own turned-up nose and the microcosm of their own life and
understand that other people, despite their lifestyles, should have the
ability to use a legal product, and that businesses should be allowed to
allow people to use said legal product. Choice, of course, would be a
natural consequence of such an outlook, allowing anyone to patronize any
business by choice based on their like or dislike of tobacco smoke. Instead,
we have yet another example of "I don't like it, so let's ban it" (yet
balance the state budget on it.)

Michael Atherton's response on this subject was completely on target: how tough was it for you to call ahead and CHOOSE to patronize an establishment that is non-smoking? Any reversal of a smoking ban would simply be giving
people back the ability to choose. Why the residents of this city are so
afraid to make choices in their own interests is a mystery for the ages.

I was out of town yesterday for the Hennepin County commissioners meeting,
though I expect to be heard at subsequent meetings on this issue. Should
Hennepin County amend it's ban, Minneapolis' response will be very
interesting. My early line on the City Council response should Hennepin
County amend: no change in the Minneapolis ban. It is quite clear that the mayor and the city council would rather allow business to wither and die on
the vine solely out of nanny-state principle than encourage business.
Witness the latest Hooter's controversy from two weeks ago. The council
would rather turn away business (and the "living wages" earned by women at
said business) than accept a legitimate enterprise into downtown, solely
based on the uniforms of the employees working within.

The city often makes my head hurt. And I just got back from Manhattan
yesterday.

Mike Thompson
Windom
Lifelong non-smoker
LRT: 2  MPPA: 0

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brionna Harder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 5:03 PM
Subject: [Mpls] How quickly we get used to a smoke-free environment


I recently attended a professional conference in Washington, DC.  My
colleagues and I did a lot of eating out and hanging out during the
week
we
were there and one of the recurring comments was how surprised we
were at
our disgust that they were not smoke-free. In other words, having
gotten
used to eating and drinking in smoke-free environments, being in
eating
and
drinking establishments that were not smoke-free was difficult for
all of
us
to stomach despite the fact that it has only been a few months since
the
ban
took effect here.  It certainly made me appreciate the ban.

Brionna Harder
Minneapolis teacher, St Paul resident


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