The reason we're using MQCicsBridge is bcoz the legacy application team do not want to change their code/program. Reason still unknown...:) --- "Chan, Ian M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I remember the days when I was at college. At year > 1, I learned the Data > General MV machine and get familiar with it. At year > 2, we started using > VAX. One of my 'smart' team member rushed to learn > it and wrote the > 'wrapper' for most of the line commands that made it > looked like DG MV and > showed to us. Some team members loved it because > they don't have to spend > time to learn but some hated this idea.....that's > why IBM has bridge and > adaptor.... > > Ian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randy J Clark > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2003 7:17 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: MQSERIES AND CICS > > > wow someone that is making sense... > > I agree just because programmers are not bit > flippers and are closer to > burger flippers (due to offshore outsourcing - ooops > I digress) is that > necessarily a bad thing > > > > "Fryett.Chris" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > TRUST.COM> cc: > Sent by: MQSeries > Subject: Re: MQSERIES AND > CICS > List > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > N.AC.AT> > > > 06/10/2003 02:04 > PM > Please respond to > MQSeries List > > > > > > > There is no shame for a poor programmer, just the > rich ones ;-) > > This is part of evolution or in some instances > de-evolution. Look at the > programming languages today. Today kids or young > developers don't know > squat about memory or computer systems, because they > are spoiled with > languages like Java and Visual Basic. Look at 'C' > which protected most > developers from having to do assembler. Are we > really wasting brain power, > or just putting our effort towards real solutions? > Look at MQ which > protects the programmer from knowing the different > transport protocols. > > Chris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Francois Van der Merwe1 > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:50 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: MQSERIES AND CICS > > > I've also seen companies getting so obsessed with > "protecting the > programmer from MQ complexity" (shame, poor > programmers) that they layer > themselves into a calling stack that is so far > removed from MQ and the > world of messaging in general, that it is really > scary. In the end the > programmers are nothing more than changing monkeys > that know how to read > company specific change diagrams - and then just do > it. > > what a waste of brain power. > > Francois van der Merwe > > > > > Ronald Weinger > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > .COM> cc: > Sent by: MQSeries > Subject: Re: MQSERIES AND > CICS > List > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > N.AC.AT> > > > 10/06/2003 22:28 > Please respond to > MQSeries List > > > > > Oh no! > A rebel without a queue. > > > > > "Robert Broderick" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > OTMAIL.COM> cc: > Sent by: "MQSeries > Subject: Re: MQSERIES AND > CICS > List" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > .AC.AT> > > > 06/10/2003 03:59 > PM > Please respond to > "MQSeries List" > > > > > > > > So lets say a programmer has only to receive a > message and process it. The > company picks the bridge. When does the programmer > get to learn about MQ?? > > I have interviewed people who have worked at > companies that allowed them > access to MQ through their own home grown software > (wrappers) These people > were useless (in regards to detailed MQ knowledge). > The company while > pretending to isolate themselves from the messaging > layer for the purpose > of > maybe changing later (remember MQ has about an 84% > market share) (hahaha!! > Change later?? To What??) has basically limited the > usefulness of it's > staff > to accommodate change. Remember we came into > technology to embrace ALL the > aspects of technology not to be the porn (opps > sorry) pawn of some > technology wizards corporate paranoias. > > If you disagree call 1-800-LACTOSS (Dennis Miller, > not to be confused with > our beloved DM!!) > > > bee-oh-dubble-bee-dubble-egh > > > > >From: Randy J Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: MQSeries List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: MQSERIES AND CICS > >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:05:59 -0700 > > > >The Bridge simply reads the message passes it to > your program BUT it is > not > >called by your program like a wrapper. Its > monitoring a queue and when a > >message arrives it reads it and links to your > program and passes the > >message to your program in the commarea. > === message truncated ===
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