or become a wrapper guru!
Just keep specializing down to a very narrow focus.
Robert Broderick
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JUST THINK....
If we follow the concept of people using "WRAPPER" (whatever the
defination)
there will be less people interested in MQ which means less people on the
LISTSERV which means less responses to read. Think of ALLL the things I
could do with my free time. LIKE sign checks at the umemployment line.
WAIT!!!! I don't even have to do that. You can do it online. Couch potato
has a new meaning!!!
Really laughing!!!
bobbee
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>The most ELEGANT thing I ever learned in school was the concept of
>recursion.
>The most IMPORTANT thing I ever learned in school was to let the computer
>do the work.
>
>So I have nothing against n levels of seperation between MQ and
programmer.
>In fact, I successfully delivered an MQ solution for my current company
>simply by tweaking the example code provided and consulting this forum.
>Yes it's not perfect but it works and yes, just by browsing some of the
>e-mail this list spews, I know that most of the senders are far more
>intimate with MQ than I will ever be (probabaly smarter too). But still
if
>you ask me, I worked smarter not harder - hence the cliche.
>
>Of course, I can appreciate the point of view from the other side but
still
>feel this is evolution as previously stated.
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>Just my two cents.
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>Prits
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>Queue sera, sera.
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>Again I half agree. I should move to India where the real programming will
>all soon be done. There will be no jobs left but management.
>YUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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> >From: "Fryett.Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: MQSeries List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: MQSERIES AND CICS
> >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:04:35 -0400
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> >There is no shame for a poor programmer, just the rich ones ;-)
> >
> >This is part of evolution or in some instances de-evolution. Look at
the
> >programming languages today. Today kids or young developers don't know
> >squat about memory or computer systems, because they are spoiled with
> >languages like Java and Visual Basic. Look at 'C' which protected most
> >developers from having to do assembler. Are we really wasting brain
>power,
> >or just putting our effort towards real solutions? Look at MQ which
> >protects the programmer from knowing the different transport protocols.
> >
> >Chris
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Francois Van der Merwe1 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:50 AM
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> >I've also seen companies getting so obsessed with "protecting the
> >programmer from MQ complexity" (shame, poor programmers) that they layer
> >themselves into a calling stack that is so far removed from MQ and the
> >world of messaging in general, that it is really scary. In the end the
> >programmers are nothing more than changing monkeys that know how to read
> >company specific change diagrams - and then just do it.
> >
> >what a waste of brain power.
> >
> >Francois van der Merwe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ronald Weinger
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> >Oh no!
> >A rebel without a queue.
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> > >From: Randy J Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: MQSeries List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: MQSERIES AND CICS
> > >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:05:59 -0700
> > >
> > >The Bridge simply reads the message passes it to your program BUT it
is
> >not
> > >called by your program like a wrapper. Its monitoring a queue and
when
>a
> > >message arrives it reads it and links to your program and passes the
> > >message to your program in the commarea.
> > >
> > >
> > >This is not going to be a substitute for times when you have to add MQ
> >API
> > >calls into an existing program. Your programmers can not always use
>the
> > >bridge and thus they will learn the API calls. The API from batch to
> > >online is the same so have no fear they will not be isolated from
> >learning
> > >the MQ API just because they use the bridge in appropriate situations.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Robert Broderick
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> > >
> > >Back to my comments and Dennis'. You will end up building something
> >simular
> > >to what the bridge offers. Except you will be in charge of the coding.
>So
> > >if
> > >you have requirements NOW or in the Future that the Bridge does not
> >address
> > >it is within you scope to add it.
> > >
> > >Now it becomes a point of getting someone to write the code. The
>Bridge,
> > >although I never worked with it, is a wrapper for MQ to your CICS
> >programs.
> > >Do you want your CICS programmers sheilded from the MQ stuff. That is
a
> > >call
> > >for your IT people. I prefer to allow everyone to be educated. Makes
>for
> >a
> > >more robust programming environment. Some will argue that it also
> > >intorduces
> > >the "WILDCARD" syndrome. Toooo much knowledge is dangerous. I on the
> >other
> > >hand believ in "Give them a fish and they eat for the day. Teach them
>to
> > >Fish and they will be less likely to p.i.s.s in the water!!
> > >
> > >
> > > bobbee
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: June Lawton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Reply-To: MQSeries List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >Subject: Re: MQSERIES AND CICS
> > > >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:38:02 -0400
> > > >
> > > >I was thinking more along the lines of functionality, additional
> >coding
> > > >requirements, DPL, etc. For our proof of concept project we want to
> > > >replace an application that currently accesses CICS via an EXCI from
>a
> > >DB2
> > > >stored procedure. Currently this request goes directly into an AOR.
> > > >However, with our future apps, we may want them to be 3270 initiated
> >via
> > > >the TOR.
> > > >
> > > >I guess what I am asking under what will one give you that the other
> > > >doesn't? Basically we want to get tinto CICS and just run the
>existing
> > > >programs.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >June Lawton
> > > >Information Systems
> > > >The PMA Insurance Group
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> > > >Unwillingness by corp to fund education
> > > >reluctance by staff to lean new technology
> > > >project funding for development tasks
> > > >legacy code toolset vacuum
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: June Lawton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Reply-To: MQSeries List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >Subject: MQSERIES AND CICS
> > > > >Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 11:50:35 -0400
> > > > >
> > > > >What would the determining factors be for using the MQ Adapter as
> > >opposed
> > > > >to MQ Bridge with CICS?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >June Lawton
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