I find it hard to believe IBM would write a technical document that was
difficult to Interpret (NOT)

All kidding aside, I am going with the typo theory for now. I just let the
manual rattle my confidence a little I guess

Hey IBM! what up?

Bill Anderson
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Sorry, there is now way I can read between the lines on the quote you have
there.

I would certainly take that quote to mean that a Heartbeat would disconnect
a channel and put it inactive, which is not the way it works.

The quote would be accurate if you just stuck the words "Lack of" in front
of the whole thing. Typo in the manual???



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Peter,

The way you said it, is exactly the way I have always believed it to work.
My confusion started when I was reading the intercommunication guide
(counting sheep never has put me to sleep as well as the intercommunication
guide!) and saw the following:

Heartbeat flows unblock the receiving MCA, which is waiting for messages to
arrive or for the disconnect interval to expire. When the receiving MCA is
unblocked it can disconnect the channel without waiting for the disconnect
interval to expire.

Does IBM mean something other than going inactive when they say disconnect?


Cheers

Bill Anderson
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Heartbeats flow back and forth when things are happy. As long as things are
happy, the heartbeats just let each side know that the other side is alive
and kicking during periods where no real MQ messages are flowing.

Heartbeats will not cause a channel to go inactive. A lack of the
responding
heartbeat will.

As long as the heartbeats flow, the channel stays up, until the DISCINT is
reached, at which point the channel goes to inactive on both side.

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I understand what heartbeat and disconnect intervals are and what they do,
but one thing puzzles me.

The heartbeat should be set significantly lower than the disconnect
interval. And, the heartbeat will cause the receiver channel to go inactive
in one of two ways:

1. when a heartbeat is sent, one of the things it does is "unblock" a
receiver that is waiting for a message / disconnect interval to expire

2. When no heartbeat is sent when one is expected the receiver can go
inactive.

So my confusion is, if the above is accurate, the disconnect interval would
never be the cause of a channel going inactive because the heartbeat would
intervene at a much quicker rate.

Once in awhile, ya think you understand something, then one day you say,
hey, something aint right here!


Thanks in advance


Bill Anderson
Senior Systems Analyst
SITA Atlanta, GA
770-303-3503 (office)
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