Hi Peter,
It sounds like you have created a very nice tool / solution. A little heavy on the sales pitch though. :))
You seem to be a little elusive on the price. What is the MSRP for it on Solaris v8 & WMQ v5.3? Do you charge 'per queue manager' or 'per Unix box'? My current client typically has 3-4 queue managers per Unix box. I wish companies would list their products MSRP on their web site.
I would fully agree that money is wasted at my current client, previous clients, etc... You can only push so far before the manager or VP reminds you that you were hired to implement 'their vision'. I hope managers and VPs do more than 'roll the dice'. I hope they weigh the cost of say $100,000 for the product (although your product sounds rich - maybe $500,000) versus the wasted time of the developers. Actually, most of them don't mind the up front costs, but it is those wild maintenance contracts that make them stop absolutely dead in their tracks.
Anyway, I do want to hear about the MSRP as per above.
Regards, Roger Lacroix
At 12:14 AM 5/4/2004, you wrote:
So, is this to work on 10 different platforms, 3 versions of MQ, encompass choice of database repositories and their associated versions? Will it be able to handle conversion of data from zOS to NT, across clustered Qmanagers, then aggregate those messages into transactions in that scenario? Will you be able to prevent access to the data, especially the contents for security reasons? I am sure many of our ListServ engineers can build a point solution for a specific environment, but the ongoing maintenance and future progress of those types of solutions have proven to be limited.
I believe the tracking products provide these features. Those products can be purchased as developer seats for a limited amount of Qmanagers as well. It is, perhaps, the maturity and quality assurance that make vendor products pricey, but for good reason. There is also the vendor's dilemma of allowing a site to use (trial) their software for free during times of crisis only, which forces vendors into requesting a longer commitment (and more up front $$) in order to cover their costs. So I would be surprised that $5000 is a fair estimate of this type of solution.
However, if sites like yours would be amenable to a usage license, perhaps some of these vendors would accede to your wishes. But just remember when you and I were engineers at former (and respective) monitoring companies; the cost is what happened when you weren't notified or didn't have the information when someone was urgently needing it. If something is lost (or rather misplaced!), how much does it cost your company in time, people, fines, audits, or lost business? Your management is betting that these issues will cost less than the available solutions. Roll the dice !
Regards, Peter
----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Lacroix" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 1:17 AM Subject: Re: Message Tracking
> Hi, > > Yes, I could probably list 4 tools that do it all but you missed the point > of the 'zero' budget (almost zero) statement. > > What I proposed to my client was a very simple API Exit to log messages: 2 > days to code. Plus a very simple Perl script or Java program to parse the > log for matches: 1-2 days to code. And another day to test, deploy and > document it. > > Now I have not priced any of these solutions because I thought they would > be far more expensive than my 4-5 days (lets say 5 days). So, if we use a > flat $1000 per day then that would be $5000 cost for my client. This > solution will be deployed to about 20 queue managers. > > Therefore, if Reconda or any other vendor can do it for $5000 or less for > 20 queue managers, please contact me off-line ASAP because I can / will get > you a meeting with the manager and VP. > > I am very serious - I am on a 6-month contract. So whether I do this > mini-project or not has no bearing on my contract!!!! > > Regards, > Roger Lacroix > Capitalware Inc. > > At 11:00 PM 4/29/2004, you wrote: > >Reconda: QN-StatWatch does it all. > > > >Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in > >the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com > >Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive > > Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in > the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com > Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
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