Invisible _and silent_. Good for rehearsing closed score SATB for example. And
‘entirely invisible’ means changes to the layout for the stuff that remains
visible, in a way as if the invisible stuff weren’t there at all, (stem
direction, rest placement, note and lyrics spacing)
Bye, Jojo
From: Lasconic [mailto:lasco...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 9:18 AM
To: MuseScore <mscore-developer@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Mscore-developer] GSoC 2016 | Piano reduction, single voice
extraction
Automating the existing procedures for combine/uncombine voices and staves
should be fairly easy, probably too easy for 3 months of work.
This <https://musescore.org/en/node/89736> https://musescore.org/en/node/89736
is quite different. Here we are not talking about a single shot operation but a
way to make voices linked to staves in a part so when you modify a part the
staff is also modified. Honestly, this is quite hard if we want to do it like
linked staves.
So, my current thinking for this would be a way to make a voice entirely
invisible on a staff, as a property of the voice (not a property of elements in
the voice). This way you could have a main score with 1 staff, 2 voices + two
linked parts containing the same staff but one part with a voice 2 hidden and
the other with voice 1 hidden. See this score
https://www.dropbox.com/s/stycs2w1caybmq3/VoiceParts.mscz?dl=1 (Use "View >
Display invisible elements" in the parts to see the trick, except there if you
add more content to the score it will not work)
lasconic
2016-03-22 11:56 GMT+04:00 Gerhard Brauchle <feli...@online.de
<mailto:feli...@online.de> >:
Hi Lasconic,
Thanks for the link. I already read it and have done most of the steps.
> My understanding is that you want to automate the following process but for
> SATB <-> Piano or Open Score(S.A.T.B) <-> Closed Score (SA.TB).
I think that in most cases the Closed Score (SA.TB) would be same as the Piano
Score, or am I wrong?
But yes, I think you get my point. In my opinion this would be the most
frequent form of usage for this tool.
There are two more points I'm thinking of:
* If there are more than 8 part's that should be merged in a piano reduction an
additional line is added to the Piano part (like an Organ-score)
* It should be possible to just select single parts and add them to the piano
reduction (but I actually have no idea how to handle the limitation of 4 voices
per line)
* for the Explode version there should be a possibillity to select the
instrument to which the voice is assigned (I'm thinking of an graphical
interface where you can manually assign this)
The last point is quite interesting for composer which are using MIDI input. As
I described in my proposal they now could easily assign the voices to the
Instrument.
Currently, I'm thinking about if it would be better to see about the single
part creation of multiple voices in a staff first. (See
https://musescore.org/en/node/89736) <https://musescore.org/en/node/89736>
To pass to the Implode/Explode then and maybe just get along with how to deal
with different rhythms in a staff.
So in fact just automate <https://musescore.org/en/node/12345>
https://musescore.org/en/node/12345 and https://musescore.org/en/node/52261 (I
think you refered to this).
I think that if I take this way there would be a lot more people who benefit of
these improvements as there would be if I concentrate to excessive on the piano
reduction which perhaps is really used by just a few.
What do you think about that?
Felix
Dienstag, 22. März 2016 um 07:37 Uhr Lasconic lasco...@gmail.com
<mailto:lasco...@gmail.com>
Hi Felix,
Please make sure you read
https://musescore.org/en/developers-handbook/google-summer-code/steps-toward-successful-application
Also note that the deadline for GSoC proposal submission is March 25th, in
Regarding your proposal, I must say it's not entirely clear to me. Some
examples might help. My understanding is that you want to automate the
following process but for SATB <-> Piano or Open Score(S.A.T.B) <-> Closed
Score (SA.TB).
* Merge/Combine/implode two staves with one voice in one staff with two voices
: https://musescore.org/en/node/12345
* Unmerge/Explode one staff with two voices into two staves with one voice. (I
can't find a how to but it's doable with selection filter, exchange voice and
select all rests in the same staff/voice to delete them)
Do I understand correctly?
lasconic
2016-03-22 4:05 GMT+04:00 Felix Brauchle <feli...@online.de
<http://feli...@online.de> >:
Hi all!
My name is Felix, currently a second year student studying at University of Ulm
in Germany Electrical Engineering.
I’m playing piano and organ for more than 10 years and since one year I’m
conducting a wind orchestra.
I used many different applications to compose and arrange music like Finale,
Capella and - of course - Musescore.
I have advanced programming skills in C and Java and know the basics of C++ and
Qt, but I haven’t used it, yet. But I’m confident that I can learn what I need
to start well prepared in the GSoC work season.
I’d like to work on a tool which is able to create a piano reduction of a score.
There is already the Implode/Explode-tool provided by MarcSabatella. But one of
the biggest restrictions is,
that it’s not possible to Implode/Explode correctly if there are different
rhythms in the selected measures.
In choral music for example are often passages of mixed rhythms and even a bass
solo wouldn’t have copied correctly.
Of course it’s not necessary to implement a big tool to im-/explode some
SATB-scores, but it’s an often requestet feature
and regarding a bigger score with more than 4 different parts it might be a
good idea to make the process of im-/explode much easier and faster.
Who would benefit from this tool?
The first group are composer, which use MIDI input: They could now play a
reduced version of their piece and then easily assign the voices to a part.
The second are arranger, which want to create a piano reduction of an choir or
an orchestra (maybe it should be possible to easily add things to a piano
reduction)
The last group are students and conductors, which want to have a smaller
summary of the score to analyze, or learn by heart.
My idea is to
> take the existing Im-/Explode tool and make it possible to have different
> rhythms (but limit the maximal number of parts to 4)
> fill a new line with the selected measures
> fill a full piano part (two lines) equally with voices
> try to split the voices in an intelligent way, so you’ll get a playable piano
> reduction
There is quite a big similarity of the Im- and Explode function, so I reduced
my aims to the Implode function.
At the end there could be a tool to merge a score into an intelligent Piano
reduction (such as SA – right hand, TB – left hand)
and on the other side you should be able to reproduce a score from a Piano
reduction.
With the knowledge of this project it shouldn’t be difficult to extract a voice
to a separate part.
Maybe it could also be done the other way around, so first add a command to
extract a single voice to a part and then transfer the idea to the Explode
command.
Please let me know if you’ve any suggestions about these ideas.
Thanks,
Felix Brauchle
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