Re-hello Vasi. Note that you need to run the application via console, strangely if you 2Xclick on the binary, the application run then freeze. I did try for other binaries (not fpc binaries) and it is the same. Maybe a protection feature (or a bug).
Fre;D ________________________________ De : Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com> Envoyé : lundi 12 juin 2023 19:57 À : General list for MSEide+MSEgui <mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> Objet : Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? Hello Vasi. Yep, I finally managed to tame the directory access. Now, with last commit, all (should) works perfectly, included mseide, no more perpetual loop at run, nor crash and file-dialogs are working ok. NetBSD was not easy to tame, mainly because of missing or wrong doc. For example, https://man.netbsd.org/dirent.3 The declaration of uint16_t d_namlen; is wrong, it should be uint8_t and make the things not work, changing to uint8 fix it. Also there is a bug with readdir_r(), sometime it never reach to the end of the directory and does a perpetual loop. I use now readdir(), this one is ok. It was a hard battle but we win. Cheers. Fre;D ________________________________ De : vasi vasi <funl...@gmail.com> Envoyé : lundi 12 juin 2023 17:36 À : General list for MSEide+MSEgui <mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> Objet : Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? NetBSD is in full transition to clang but it cannot give up on gcc also, so, there are two different linkers with different configurations and expectations. With resulted programs that cannot find their shared libs so is a total mess... Hopefully, NetBSD 10 will ease things... But not only the BSD world, Linux also... there are efforts towards clang... Until then, even for C programs there are problems... Because I don't know other way, I had to copy-symlink all libraries from X11R7 to /usr/lib, not only six of them (thanks for the pointer)... I'm pretty sure there is a right way to do it? A manual or something (it wasn't this mess a few years back...) For example for lockf () function, (if I remember correctly, because I am now on the linux laptop) you get errors and if you look at the man manual, things are like in linux, but it ends up that you really must change the value of one parameter the way compiler suggest it... In the end, raylib 4.0 compiles and runs ok but the timing is wrong because of incompatibilities with the timer functions that are yet to be solved... A nice graphical library that we have a pascal translation for. At least, in OpenBSD didn't worked at all (mouse problems in glfw library)... We really need some pointers from the developers and the porting team... Typhoon Relational Database needed also some interventions... Because, asking users to do what we do is a no-no... But at least, things are working... Otherwise, NetBSD snappier for me than OpenBSD... Your pointers were helpful. I had an X11 freeze trying mseide but I switched to the console and killed the X... No system crash, and I activated the journaling for the file system, just to be sure is recoverable... It works better than in OpenBSD... So, it seems that NetBSD requires the most work from the three of them... but I expect dflyBSD to be as easier as FreeBSD (if we make mouse and keyboard to work on X)... On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 6:18 AM vasi vasi <funl...@gmail.com<mailto:funl...@gmail.com>> wrote: Excellent progress! I also lost the night configuring NetBSD, setting the firewall, installing apps... now is up and running, just to make those X11 symlinks. Also having some difficulties in compiling a C library, but not mseide related... On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 12:22 AM Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com<mailto:fi...@hotmail.com>> wrote: Allez, the very last for tonight. I found the guilty of the icons and images not show and the error message of corrupt X11 atom. It is the image property bmo_graymask. And in all the mseide project all images or images list have "bmo_graymask = true". When setting bmo_graymask := false for all image and image-list the icon and image are ok. https://github.com/mse-org/mseide-msegui/assets/3421249/3452e988-1504-44df-a9e9-84ecdf65806a By the way, I never understood that property "bmo_graymask", setting it to true or false dont change anything on other os. It is a excellent news because fighting with X11 is a other story. So, perfect, the icons and images problems are solved. I will clean all the code, set bmo_graymask := false for eveybody and do the commit tonight. Only remains the access to directory in file dialog that resists. But not for longtime (but not for tonight). Fre;D ________________________________ De : Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com<mailto:fi...@hotmail.com>> Envoyé : dimanche 11 juin 2023 21:06 À : General list for MSEide+MSEgui <mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net>> Objet : Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? Ooops, in previous post, the screenshot was without the run, here the good one. In the terminal, no more cry of X11 for bad atom. https://github.com/mse-org/mseide-msegui/assets/3421249/73bae81e-f28c-4790-b26c-5f408a9a2975 Note too that file access via the file-dialog is not yet perfect, for creating the project I have to write the full path + name, playing with the directory-icons was not ok. So, to resume, still some work but it will be possible to terminate the combat. Fre;D ________________________________ De : Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com<mailto:fi...@hotmail.com>> Envoyé : dimanche 11 juin 2023 20:53 À : General list for MSEide+MSEgui <mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net>> Objet : Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? OK, I created a new project directly in NetBSD using mseide-pre-alpha, with a button and a image on his face. Compiled and run. And there the button has his ico-image: https://github.com/mse-org/mseide-msegui/assets/3421249/ec05ff42-2058-4c2f-9c39-746d9ac4d462 And no more cry when passing with mouse on the button about invalid atom. Hum, hum, hum. So could it be that the _mfm.pas gives problem and maybe oblige, for all imported image, to re-do-it when compiling a project in NetBSD? Anyway I have to stop for the moment this exploration. Yes, it is not a combat out-of-the-box, but sure we will win. Fre;D ________________________________ De : vasi vasi <funl...@gmail.com<mailto:funl...@gmail.com>> Envoyé : dimanche 11 juin 2023 19:53 À : General list for MSEide+MSEgui <mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net>> Objet : Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? Yeah, we are back to gtk and its connection to xlib... On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 8:44 PM Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com<mailto:fi...@hotmail.com>> wrote: Re-hello Vasi. OK, I found the option in xfce4 to show the icons in menu. But, sadly, the icons in mseide-menu are still not shown. So it seems not to be related. Fre;D ________________________________ De : Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com<mailto:fi...@hotmail.com>> Envoyé : dimanche 11 juin 2023 19:03 À : General list for MSEide+MSEgui <mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net>> Objet : Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? Hello Vasi. Indeed, there are no icons in xfce4 menus. I think you get something there. I did try to have the icons shown but did not find a option for that. Maybe related with the not shown icons of mseide. If you try the last commit of mseide-msegui, you should compile the mseide and run it. There are 2 things that are not working (maybe more but I did not see). 1. The icons are not shown for menu and in the debugger form. 2. When you pass with the mouse on a menu with icons, there is a message in console from where you run mseide: "a X11 atom is not recognized". Maybe both are related. Sadly I have to take a break in msegui exploration this week, loooot of things to do. I hope you will have luck and that you will find the guilties. When I am more free, I will jump back into it. For DragonFly, till now I did not find a solution to make the keyboard work in a Xorg session and so did not try yet msegui on DragonFly. Good luck. Fre;D ________________________________ De : vasi vasi <funl...@gmail.com<mailto:funl...@gmail.com>> Envoyé : dimanche 11 juin 2023 15:13 À : General list for MSEide+MSEgui <mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net>> Objet : Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? Fred, your xfce4 shows icons in menus? On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 5:49 AM Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com<mailto:fi...@hotmail.com>> wrote: Re-hello Vasi. Ooops, sorry I did only read your first line, I did not see there was a follow. About the reboots, I my case, for testing msegui, I needed lot of reboot! This because at beginning, nothing was working and when finally the compilation was ok, running the ide crashed the system. So boot needed but, because of the "su" bug (that I did not know), I could not login after boot and must reinstall all the system. And retesting the mseide binary after some change (and using the "su" with Xorg console) still crash, so reboot, without working login, --> reinstall the os, retest, recrash, reinstall, retest, recrash, ... untill I found the guitly: "su" in Xorg console. Now it is ok, if I have a crash, I can reboot without the need to reinstall all because I use "su" in shell-terminal of the system. Fre;D ________________________________ De : vasi vasi <funl...@gmail.com<mailto:funl...@gmail.com>> Envoyé : dimanche 11 juin 2023 01:22 À : General list for MSEide+MSEgui <mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net>> Objet : Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? Actually, won't help to create a user as part of wheel group, having admin rights and using just sudo or doas? Can'r wait to install it... Last time, I did not had such problems... but it was a different computer... Thanks for the movie, Fred. On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 1:13 AM Sieghard via mseide-msegui-talk <mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net>> wrote: Hello Fred, you wrote on Sat, 10 Jun 2023 17:37:44 +0000: > Note that with NetBSD using the "su" command in a Xorg terminal will > destroy the pam config (for login+password). And you will not be able to > login anymore (and must reinstall all the system). Ihat's a really _very_ bad thing... > So for all the things you need a root access, terminate the Xorg session > to come back to terminal-no-gui, login as normal user, then use the "su" > command to do the things that need root access. Does NetBSD's Xorg NOT have the LeftAlt-Ctrl-F<n> hot key function to switch to a text mode console? Or is that just disabled by default, as many Linux Xorg/Gooey^WGUI installations do it by now, somewhere setting a "ServerFlags" section 'Option "DontVTSwitch" "true"'? (There's a program, "chvt", that can do the switch too, but that requires root rights to be used, so it's useless here.) Creating a "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" file with just the contents "Section "ServerFlags" Option "DontVTSwitch" "true" EndSection" _might_ suffice, but it may neccessary to also include a line like ' Option "ServerLayout" "X.org Configured"' for Xorg to accept it. Be sure to scan Xorg's log file (Xorg.0.log) whether it had the intended effect or just rose a warning or an error. Read the Xorg man page! > Or do this after boot, before to run "startx" command. You do not want to (re)boot a Unix for maintenance purposes only! Do you? (Ooops, THAT was looong-winded thread!) -- (Weitergabe von Adressdaten, Telefonnummern u.ä. ohne Zustimmung nicht gestattet, ebenso Zusendung von Werbung oder ähnlichem) ----------------------------------------------------------- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, S. Schicktanz ----------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk -- Vasi _______________________________________________ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk -- Vasi _______________________________________________ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk -- Vasi _______________________________________________ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk -- Vasi -- Vasi ________________________________ De : Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com> Envoyé : lundi 12 juin 2023 19:57 À : General list for MSEide+MSEgui <mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> Objet : Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? Hello Vasi. Yep, I finally managed to tame the directory access. Now, with last commit, all (should) works perfectly, included mseide, no more perpetual loop at run, nor crash and file-dialogs are working ok. NetBSD was not easy to tame, mainly because of missing or wrong doc. For example, https://man.netbsd.org/dirent.3 The declaration of uint16_t d_namlen; is wrong, it should be uint8_t and make the things not work, changing to uint8 fix it. Also there is a bug with readdir_r(), sometime it never reach to the end of the directory and does a perpetual loop. I use now readdir(), this one is ok. It was a hard battle but we win. Cheers. Fre;D ________________________________ De : vasi vasi <funl...@gmail.com> Envoyé : lundi 12 juin 2023 17:36 À : General list for MSEide+MSEgui <mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> Objet : Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? NetBSD is in full transition to clang but it cannot give up on gcc also, so, there are two different linkers with different configurations and expectations. With resulted programs that cannot find their shared libs so is a total mess... Hopefully, NetBSD 10 will ease things... But not only the BSD world, Linux also... there are efforts towards clang... Until then, even for C programs there are problems... Because I don't know other way, I had to copy-symlink all libraries from X11R7 to /usr/lib, not only six of them (thanks for the pointer)... I'm pretty sure there is a right way to do it? A manual or something (it wasn't this mess a few years back...) For example for lockf () function, (if I remember correctly, because I am now on the linux laptop) you get errors and if you look at the man manual, things are like in linux, but it ends up that you really must change the value of one parameter the way compiler suggest it... In the end, raylib 4.0 compiles and runs ok but the timing is wrong because of incompatibilities with the timer functions that are yet to be solved... A nice graphical library that we have a pascal translation for. At least, in OpenBSD didn't worked at all (mouse problems in glfw library)... We really need some pointers from the developers and the porting team... Typhoon Relational Database needed also some interventions... Because, asking users to do what we do is a no-no... But at least, things are working... Otherwise, NetBSD snappier for me than OpenBSD... Your pointers were helpful. I had an X11 freeze trying mseide but I switched to the console and killed the X... No system crash, and I activated the journaling for the file system, just to be sure is recoverable... It works better than in OpenBSD... So, it seems that NetBSD requires the most work from the three of them... but I expect dflyBSD to be as easier as FreeBSD (if we make mouse and keyboard to work on X)... On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 6:18 AM vasi vasi <funl...@gmail.com<mailto:funl...@gmail.com>> wrote: Excellent progress! I also lost the night configuring NetBSD, setting the firewall, installing apps... now is up and running, just to make those X11 symlinks. Also having some difficulties in compiling a C library, but not mseide related... On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 12:22 AM Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com<mailto:fi...@hotmail.com>> wrote: Allez, the very last for tonight. I found the guilty of the icons and images not show and the error message of corrupt X11 atom. It is the image property bmo_graymask. And in all the mseide project all images or images list have "bmo_graymask = true". When setting bmo_graymask := false for all image and image-list the icon and image are ok. https://github.com/mse-org/mseide-msegui/assets/3421249/3452e988-1504-44df-a9e9-84ecdf65806a By the way, I never understood that property "bmo_graymask", setting it to true or false dont change anything on other os. It is a excellent news because fighting with X11 is a other story. So, perfect, the icons and images problems are solved. I will clean all the code, set bmo_graymask := false for eveybody and do the commit tonight. Only remains the access to directory in file dialog that resists. But not for longtime (but not for tonight). Fre;D ________________________________ De : Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com<mailto:fi...@hotmail.com>> Envoyé : dimanche 11 juin 2023 21:06 À : General list for MSEide+MSEgui <mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net>> Objet : Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? Ooops, in previous post, the screenshot was without the run, here the good one. In the terminal, no more cry of X11 for bad atom. https://github.com/mse-org/mseide-msegui/assets/3421249/73bae81e-f28c-4790-b26c-5f408a9a2975 Note too that file access via the file-dialog is not yet perfect, for creating the project I have to write the full path + name, playing with the directory-icons was not ok. So, to resume, still some work but it will be possible to terminate the combat. Fre;D ________________________________ De : Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com<mailto:fi...@hotmail.com>> Envoyé : dimanche 11 juin 2023 20:53 À : General list for MSEide+MSEgui <mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net>> Objet : Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? OK, I created a new project directly in NetBSD using mseide-pre-alpha, with a button and a image on his face. Compiled and run. And there the button has his ico-image: https://github.com/mse-org/mseide-msegui/assets/3421249/ec05ff42-2058-4c2f-9c39-746d9ac4d462 And no more cry when passing with mouse on the button about invalid atom. Hum, hum, hum. So could it be that the _mfm.pas gives problem and maybe oblige, for all imported image, to re-do-it when compiling a project in NetBSD? Anyway I have to stop for the moment this exploration. Yes, it is not a combat out-of-the-box, but sure we will win. Fre;D ________________________________ De : vasi vasi <funl...@gmail.com<mailto:funl...@gmail.com>> Envoyé : dimanche 11 juin 2023 19:53 À : General list for MSEide+MSEgui <mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net>> Objet : Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? Yeah, we are back to gtk and its connection to xlib... On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 8:44 PM Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com<mailto:fi...@hotmail.com>> wrote: Re-hello Vasi. OK, I found the option in xfce4 to show the icons in menu. But, sadly, the icons in mseide-menu are still not shown. So it seems not to be related. Fre;D ________________________________ De : Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com<mailto:fi...@hotmail.com>> Envoyé : dimanche 11 juin 2023 19:03 À : General list for MSEide+MSEgui <mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net>> Objet : Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? Hello Vasi. Indeed, there are no icons in xfce4 menus. I think you get something there. I did try to have the icons shown but did not find a option for that. Maybe related with the not shown icons of mseide. If you try the last commit of mseide-msegui, you should compile the mseide and run it. There are 2 things that are not working (maybe more but I did not see). 1. The icons are not shown for menu and in the debugger form. 2. When you pass with the mouse on a menu with icons, there is a message in console from where you run mseide: "a X11 atom is not recognized". Maybe both are related. Sadly I have to take a break in msegui exploration this week, loooot of things to do. I hope you will have luck and that you will find the guilties. When I am more free, I will jump back into it. For DragonFly, till now I did not find a solution to make the keyboard work in a Xorg session and so did not try yet msegui on DragonFly. Good luck. Fre;D ________________________________ De : vasi vasi <funl...@gmail.com<mailto:funl...@gmail.com>> Envoyé : dimanche 11 juin 2023 15:13 À : General list for MSEide+MSEgui <mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net>> Objet : Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? Fred, your xfce4 shows icons in menus? On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 5:49 AM Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com<mailto:fi...@hotmail.com>> wrote: Re-hello Vasi. Ooops, sorry I did only read your first line, I did not see there was a follow. About the reboots, I my case, for testing msegui, I needed lot of reboot! This because at beginning, nothing was working and when finally the compilation was ok, running the ide crashed the system. So boot needed but, because of the "su" bug (that I did not know), I could not login after boot and must reinstall all the system. And retesting the mseide binary after some change (and using the "su" with Xorg console) still crash, so reboot, without working login, --> reinstall the os, retest, recrash, reinstall, retest, recrash, ... untill I found the guitly: "su" in Xorg console. Now it is ok, if I have a crash, I can reboot without the need to reinstall all because I use "su" in shell-terminal of the system. Fre;D ________________________________ De : vasi vasi <funl...@gmail.com<mailto:funl...@gmail.com>> Envoyé : dimanche 11 juin 2023 01:22 À : General list for MSEide+MSEgui <mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net>> Objet : Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? Actually, won't help to create a user as part of wheel group, having admin rights and using just sudo or doas? Can'r wait to install it... Last time, I did not had such problems... but it was a different computer... Thanks for the movie, Fred. On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 1:13 AM Sieghard via mseide-msegui-talk <mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net>> wrote: Hello Fred, you wrote on Sat, 10 Jun 2023 17:37:44 +0000: > Note that with NetBSD using the "su" command in a Xorg terminal will > destroy the pam config (for login+password). And you will not be able to > login anymore (and must reinstall all the system). Ihat's a really _very_ bad thing... > So for all the things you need a root access, terminate the Xorg session > to come back to terminal-no-gui, login as normal user, then use the "su" > command to do the things that need root access. Does NetBSD's Xorg NOT have the LeftAlt-Ctrl-F<n> hot key function to switch to a text mode console? Or is that just disabled by default, as many Linux Xorg/Gooey^WGUI installations do it by now, somewhere setting a "ServerFlags" section 'Option "DontVTSwitch" "true"'? (There's a program, "chvt", that can do the switch too, but that requires root rights to be used, so it's useless here.) Creating a "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" file with just the contents "Section "ServerFlags" Option "DontVTSwitch" "true" EndSection" _might_ suffice, but it may neccessary to also include a line like ' Option "ServerLayout" "X.org Configured"' for Xorg to accept it. Be sure to scan Xorg's log file (Xorg.0.log) whether it had the intended effect or just rose a warning or an error. Read the Xorg man page! > Or do this after boot, before to run "startx" command. You do not want to (re)boot a Unix for maintenance purposes only! Do you? (Ooops, THAT was looong-winded thread!) -- (Weitergabe von Adressdaten, Telefonnummern u.ä. ohne Zustimmung nicht gestattet, ebenso Zusendung von Werbung oder ähnlichem) ----------------------------------------------------------- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, S. 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