> I agree though that it would be nice to see better support for the 2 and 5 > family chips in the mspgcc universe (including debugging!). > If only Ti would make its FET information free/open instead of NDA protected > as it is now. They are only hurting themselves - I am shying away > from ever basing a product on MSP430 again after the issues we had with > development for the MSP2418. IMO, IAR and CCE are two poor choices > (big cost and poor quality, respectively), but they seem to be the only > viable options.
I'm partially agree, but there is no need for FET. The device for programming / debugging may be quite simple and cheap like GoodFET, JTAG is specified quite good and it's not necessary to use FET-UIF. The only issue is debugging, because it's not clear yet how to implement it. But I believe that there is a way to implement debugging using only documented features of JTAG protocol. Rowley has their own solution for programming/debugging, and what's problem for open source community to implement a debug feature for, say, GoodFET? BTW, Rowley's toolchain is working on Linux, and it may bee used in command-line fashion, without messing with IDE. The only reason why I'm not making any efforts to implement this feature in prog430x - it's my personal opinion that this feature is relatively useless, at least it does not worth those efforts. From the technical point of view, it's something about a week to sniff how the commercial debuggers work, using the logical analyzer and some time to implement the required features in firmware. Also, there is no point to blame the TI for poor support of open source community. There is no open source compiler with support of X and X2 architectures. Period. The opensource toolchain works perfectly for old plain MSP430 and that's all. The another point against disclosing of FET's protocol is that it's useless. This protocol seems like a bunch of JTAG commands wrapped in data packets by some firmware-specific way. This protocol is pretty useless itself without the FET's firmware, should TI also make it opensourced? Do we really need it? Why just not to develop own firmware for FET-UIF or for any other available board. So the only serious issue with MSP430X and X2 for the moment is the compiler. --- Regards, Dmitry > > - Wayne > Sent via BlackBerry® from Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: "JMGross" <[email protected]> > Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 20:21:21 > To: MSPGCC mailing list,<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Mspgcc-users] MSP430F54xx programming under windows > > > Hi! > > Many thanks for the link to Elprotronic. > The programmer software works fine. > > It has a tendency to UI hangs (as many programs have which are built with > WindowsForms and without proper thread splitting between UI and work), but if > you know that you shouldn't touch it while running... > > It handles not only the USB programmer but also the LPT programmer I already > have, so I don't have to switch th eprogrammer when switching from one > project to another. > > Nice thing is that you can specify the configuration (processor, memory > setup, usb/LPT etc.) and the code file as commandline parameters. It does not > run without interaction though. But way better than nothing. > > I'd still love to see msp430-jtag support the USB programmer and/or the 54xx > series. > > JMGross > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf > _______________________________________________ > Mspgcc-users mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mspgcc-users > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf > _______________________________________________ > Mspgcc-users mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mspgcc-users
