Ruslin and David, The cmd.exe shell using Windows commands does work as expected. The bash.exe shell using Cygwin commands does work as expected. The bash shell using WSL/Ubuntu commands does work as expected. The bash.exe shell using MSYS2 commands does NOT work as expected.
Cywin is definitely superior to MSYS2 in this respect. I have developed software on GitHub, but none of my current projects are on GitHub. I am a "different user" developing different programs in different environments. I build Unicon compiler programs as user "unicon". I build my Knowledge Explorer interpreter programs as user "ke". I use these programs and build others as user "rhmcc" or "rhm". Sharing files directly saves a lot of time. All these programs run on Windows, Linux, and macOS. Dick Richard H. McCullough http://ContextKnowledgeSystems.org What is your context? ________________________________ From: David Grayson <davidegray...@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 5:52 PM To: msys2-users@lists.sourceforge.net; rhmccullo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Msys2-users] msys2 "ls" and "chmod" don't work on Windows 10 I thought MSYS2's POSIX emulation layer, which controls the behavior of commands like `chmod`, was a fork of Cygwin's. Does Cygwin really give you more control over permissions than MSYS2? What exactly can you do in Cygwin that you can't do with MSYS2? I'm not sure what kinds of files these users and sharing, or how you are sharing them, but maybe it makes more sense to share them using a version control system like Git instead of giving multiple users access to the same actual files. --David On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 2:09 PM Richard H. McCullough <rhmccullo...@gmail.com<mailto:rhmccullo...@gmail.com>> wrote: What you're telling me is very disturbing. To paraphrase, the actual Windows attributes which control file access privileges are not displayed by "ls" and cannot be changed by "chmod". That being the case, ordinary software development becomes difficult. My software development is shared between three Windows users. I often have to use Cygwin or Windows File Explorer to fix access problems. I will probably abandon MSYS2, and go back to using Cygwin and WSL/Ubuntu. Richard H. McCullough http://ContextKnowledgeSystems.org What is your context? On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 11:57 AM Ruslan Garipov <ruslanngari...@gmail.com<mailto:ruslanngari...@gmail.com>> wrote: It looks like `ls(1)` for Win32 calls the `GetFileInformationByHandle` function[1] when it checks file modes. Therefore, it operates by file attributes (`FILE_ATTRIBUTE_READONLY`, `FILE_ATTRIBUTE_DIRECTORY`, etc.), which don't affect users in the file's group (g) or other users not in the file's group (o). The similar stuff is applied to `chmod(1)`. The security descriptors in Microsoft Windows have ``primary group'' information, which, I believe, exists there for compatibility with POSIX, but GNU's coreutils don't use it. May be because that ``primary group'' exists only on NTFS. > $ ls -l csv.icn > -rw-r--r-- On Win32 ``rw-'' stands for ``file without read-only attribute''. It looks like `r--` for ``g'' and ``o'' is a default for `ls(1)` on Win32 (but I'm not sure, because I didn't find that in source code). > $ chmod 775 csv.icn The only thing you can make with `chmod(1)` on Win32 is set ``Readonly'' attribute with `chmod u-w csv.icn`. Operations with ``g'' and ``o'' are effectively ignored. May be I'm wrong somewhere; in this case I hope someone will correct me. [1] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/desktop/api/fileapi/nf-fileapi-getfileinformationbyhandle On 3/20/2019 7:26 PM, Richard H. McCullough wrote: > "ls" typically lists the same incorrect permissions for all files. > "chmod" does not change permissions. > > Are these commands going to be updated? > > examples: > > rhmcc@rhmZ570 MSYS /c/msys64/home/ke/KE/parser > $ ls -l csv.icn > -rw-r--r-- 1 rhmcc rhmcc 2079 Dec 30 14:55 csv.icn > > rhmcc@rhmZ570 MSYS /c/msys64/home/ke/KE/parser > $ chmod 775 csv.icn > > rhmcc@rhmZ570 MSYS /c/msys64/home/ke/KE/parser > $ ls -l csv.icn > -rw-r--r-- 1 rhmcc rhmcc 2079 Dec 30 14:55 csv.icn > > rhmcc@rhmZ570 MSYS /c/msys64/home/ke/KE/parser > > Richard H. McCullough > http://ContextKnowledgeSystems.org > What is your context? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Msys2-users mailing list > Msys2-users@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Msys2-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/msys2-users > _______________________________________________ Msys2-users mailing list Msys2-users@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Msys2-users@lists.sourceforge.net> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/msys2-users
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