Around 07:21pm on Monday, December 30, 2002 (UK time), Peter Hargreaves scrawled:

> Steve, wrote:>>> Is there know way you can communicate with others who 
> disagree with you without slagging them off (tossers, know-nowts, etc.)?  <<<
> 
> I have my style, you have yours. Simple as that. Have I broken any List 
> rules? If I did the committee would be down on me like hot shit. Are you 
> saying that I'm not entitled to air my views? Is that what you are saying? 
> Let us (oh, and the List committee) know.
> 
As far as I know you haven't broken any rules, and I certainly don't
think that you aren't entitled to air your views.  As for style, that is
something that I think you (and every one else) chooses for themselves.

I am pretty sure from the thought that you do put into your posts that
they are considered responses - and I get the impression (and I may be
wrong) that you are deliberately provocative.  While this can be
interesting, and even funny, it does seem easily degenerate into a
ping-pong, points scoring exchange.  Its easy to take one side (either
side) in a "he's shit", "no he's brilliant" type exchange.  And name
calling adds to the heat rather than the light that at discussion can
generate.

I find this list at its best when there are constructive exchanges
between those with different point of views, and this still does happen
amongst everything else.

So Pete, I am not telling you what to do - apart from anything else it
would almost certainly cause you to do the opposite :-)  But in my
opinion (which I know is only mine, etc ...) the list would be better
if you cut out some of the most provocative, personnel and trolling
aspects.

To me the list is a cyber pub in Manchester where we meet up to discuss
the game (Sorry Terry, I know its an Arabian coffee bar to you :-) and if
necessary to me you can be the grumpy old man who demands the same table
every night, drinking his 3 pints of mild and complaining about "kids
today".  But you have seen more of the greats, and not so greats, than
most (all?) of us - and you could occasionally wander over and have a
game of darts with some of us youngsters, without moaning about
artificial flights, the disappearance of the Manchester board and the
music on the jukebox.

> He also wrote:>>> I know that supporting United does not mean that you 
> can't criticise or moan about the team or manager <<<
> 
> I have NEVER said that people shouldn't be allowed to criticise (or say 
> ANYTHING they wanted in fact). I have made my point when the total f**king 
> know-nowts on this List (of whom there appears to be bloody hundreds) have 
> spouted (what I believe is) total bollocks.
> 
No, but by calling anyone with whom you even slightly disagree a
"know-nowt", when a "know-less" or even a "know-different" would be more
accurate, you do somewhat forcefully imply that they should shut up.

Steve

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