Thanks, SJ! I’m happy to say that we’ve started a productive collaboration with the Internet Archive and Wikimedia community members, to address your recommendations below about video uploads for unsupported formats.
As a first step, we want to make it easy for people to upload videos from the Internet Archive to Wikimedia Commons, which seems like a very realistic project. The Archive already has all the tools needed to upload videos in a wide range of formats (1), then transcode them to Ogg format and transfer them to Commons through their Upload Wizard. Their developer page provides very helpful information on how to use these tools. (2) Our current goal is to start with a very simple implementation, which would add an ‘Upload from Internet Archive’ tool on Commons, that would work just like the tool we use now to import images from Flickr. This button would invite users to copy and paste the URL of the Internet Archive file they wish to upload, then take it from there. Our proposed specifications for this first feature are posted on our Mingle card #306 (3), which we hope to take on in collaboration with community developers next quarter. To get the ball started, it should be pretty easy for a community developer to create a simple tool powered by the Wikimedia Toolserver. This could be done by adapting the Flickr upload bot (4), to perform some of its verification and file transfer functions, such as: retrieving the metadata from the IA Metadata API, confirming that it has the appropriate license, checking a blacklist of contributors, then uploading the file. In a second step, we could look into a tighter integration with the Internet Archive’s upload process, so that it could be initiated from Commons, if someone tries to upload an MP4 video file from our sites. They could be redirected to IA in ways that make the whole process much smoother. But this would require more development resources, and would need more community discussions, given the controversial nature of this proprietary format. Speaking personally on behalf of long-time video creators like myself, I hope we can get to that stage sooner rather than later, to make it more inviting for us to donate our video footage to the free knowledge movement. :) Andrew Lih and Kevin Gorman have been spearheading this community-led initiative. They would welcome the participation of a few more community members to help with this project, particularly for the technical development aspects. Our multimedia team is also prepared to support this project, but we like the idea of doing this as a collaboration with other community members who share our commitment to make it happen. :) We’ll keep you posted on this initiative as it develops. Enjoy your weekend, Fabrice (1) https://archive.org/help/derivatives.php (2) http://blog.archive.org/developers/ (3) https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/multimedia/cards/306 (4) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Flickr_upload_bot On Mar 14, 2014, at 7:30 PM, Samuel Klein <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Gilles, Brion, and Michael, > > Thank you for the fast replies. And thanks again to Fabrice for > sharing the roadmap for the next months. > > Making it easy for people to convert from encumbered to unencumbered > formats, and to share media under a free license even if they cannot > understand encodings, are unambiguously part of our mission. That > part does not seem controversial, though how best to make this happen > is debated. The framing of the RFC made it hard to discuss > transcoding in any detail. > Yes, in hindsight, we probably should have started a series of discussions, rather than one big RfC. The next time we bring up video with our community, we might want to start with a general discussion on the role of video on our sites, then have separate discussions about contributing different file formats, as well as viewing them. We didn’t have the resources to do this full community engagement at the time, but have learned an important lesson that complex issues like these can’t be solved effectively in a single RfC. Onward! > Brion writes: >> As Gilles mentioned, based on the RfC results we don't currently have a >> server-side solution on the table. > > A strict reading of that discussion might mean that we shouldn't store > and process encumbered codecs ourselves. Nevertheless, as suggested a > few times there, we can at the very least channel uploaders through a > server-side solution that isn't hosted on our servers. > Yes, we agree on that point. In collaboration with community members, we have initiated discussions with third parties like the Internet Archive, and are getting positive responses from them. Our current plan is to start with small, incremental steps, as described below. > Michael Dale writes: >> [ snip many insightful things ] > >> The user should upload the source asset, the server should do the encoding. > > Agreed. > >> Internet archive would be a good partner. > > Yes, and I believe they are willing. What might a transparent > hand-off to them look like on our side? We’re proposing to start with a simple ‘Upload from Internet Archive’ button, as outlined on this Mingle card: https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/multimedia/cards/306 This would be similar to what we are doing now with ‘Upload from Flickr’ tools already in use on our sites. So in this first step, contributors would be invited to post MP4 videos on the Internet Archive site, then import those videos in Ogg format on Commons. Once this first step is in place, we would consider improving this workflow by integrating the upload process more closely between Commons and Internet Archive. > If we sketch out what this might look like in practice, community > members who care about transcoding could organize a related, low-drama > discussion about it on Commons. It should be possible to get such a > process accepted by IArchivists, Wikimedians, and even Linksvayers. > Yes, that is our general plan. > Sam > > ( One possibility: Detecting that the format can't be uploaded > directly, passing the upload to IA, conversion to an unencumbered > format, and upload-to-Commons with metadata mapping. Depending on the > size of the file, the uploader could "complete" the upload before the > file is available for use, and be asked to come back in a few minutes. > But the summary page, a link to the partner archive page, and the > filename for use in other WM projects, could be available right away. > ) > Yes, that is part of the second step we would consider, once we have completed the first step (a simple ‘Upload from Internet Archive’ button). Keep in mind that our resources are going to be pretty limited for this > _______________________________________________ > Multimedia mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/multimedia _______________________________ Fabrice Florin Product Manager Wikimedia Foundation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF)
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