I haven't said this for a while: David and co: you are a credit to the open source movement. The list is all the evidence you need. By putting working code out there you promote the vital discussion of the design issues. There is something magical about lists that put out code for people to analyze, and that then generate talk about the wider issues. This lists reminds me of something I havn't seen since ssl-talk, in 1994/5. IN 1994, we did know that SSL was the poor uncle of NSA's/Motorola's/DEC's work on SP4, 10 years earlier. We did NOT know the effect that SSL from civilian companies would have on wider infrastructure politics and practice. Likewise, we cannot actually predict quite what effect the Muscle movement will have; but an effect it _is _having.

Peter.

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