Hi,

No real clues, except that 1MHz may be a bit too close from the lower
accepted limit.

Did you try with another card? Anyone will do at this stage. bank card with
a chip, SIM card, etc.

Regards
Sebastien

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Luisa <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Sebastien,
>
> It seems I have to wait for a week or so till the crystal arrives.
> Though I'm also sure one can get advantage on the hardware usart to
> get things done and it's the way to go.
>
> However, been testing this "by hand" now that I had some spare time at
> 1Mhz, with no success so far (I've got the impression I won't have it
> either when the crystal arrives and I setup the hardware accordingly,
> because of the problem here being some other that I can't see).
>
> What I'm doing now, with a 20Mhz clock on the chip, instead of the
> original 18Mhz one:
>
> * I setup the card's clock line to toggle each 10 cycles, hence giving
> me a full-swing 1Mhz signal on the output pin, though I don't yet let
> it toggle.
>
> * I activate the contacts appropiately, including the card's clock line.
>
> * Just after I activate the contacts, no interrupts or whatsoever, I
> just fall into a loop where I sample 80 bits on the i/o line each +/-
> 372 uS (have also tried with more and less, though this time the card
> actually sends bytes as expected, each +/- 372uS).
>
> I keep only getting the TS byte.
>
> In order to check that I'm not loosing successive bytes, after the
> first loop and a delay (that I set to different values across
> different tests, up to the maximum o 2688 etus in this case) I fall
> into another loop where I read another 80 bits.
>
> The voltages on the pins when the card is in operation are as follows
> (in respect to card's GND):
>
> * VCC: 4,96
> * RST: 4,70
> * CLK: 2,53 (this is actually my multimeter averaging over the 1Mhz
> signal I guess. The signal is comming directly from the chip, and so
> measured against chip's gnd)
> * IO:  4,93
>
> Any clues?
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> On 7/8/10, Sébastien Lorquet <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes, that's exactly what I tried today. One can output a signal on
> >> certain pins by hardware, without it generatig a software interrupt,
> >> but I didn't have any success yet, same results.
> >
> > Only rare CPUs allows that mode, one of them is the PIC 18F2620.
> >
> >>
> >> I think the problem lies on the output signal and the interrupt (the
> >> one which samples the i/o line not being in synch).
> >>
> >> Hence why the need for a clock, one setups usart and recieves just
> >> what the card sends (the transciever does handle start and stop bits,
> >> etc).
> >>
> >> Not sure yet how to synch with the external clock with usart either,
> >
> > No sync is needed. Just a speed relationship. The USART will detect
> > the start bit and sync with that provided the baud rate is OK.
> >
> >> but I'm pretty sure that by going the usart way, the stop bits needed
> >> when one wants the card to repeat las byte are not going to be easily
> >> accessible, but we'll see.
> >
> > I'm definitely sure you can use the usart. It's half duplex, so you
> > just have to short Tx and Rx and disable receiver when transmitting
> > (and that may not be needed).
> >
> > The fundamental part is to set the correct baud rate.
> >
> > The USART bit rate must be 1/372 the frequency present on the card
> > "clock" pin. Forget about PPS until it works at basic speed.
> >
> > If you can use the same clock frequency for the usart and the clock
> > output, you're done. Just set the baud rate timer to 372 and exchange
> > bytes. If you know that the input to the baud rate generator is a
> > fraction of the xtal clock (because of a prescaler, for example), then
> > use the XTALOUT signal from your cpu to clock the card and compute the
> > proper baud rate generator parameters so that the usart bit rate is
> > 1/372 the XTAL clock :)
> >
> > Then remember cards can not use a very high clock: 3-5 MHz will be ok.
> > This will also be you CPU's clock.
> >
> > Also, I don't know your microcontroller, but some of them can use an
> > external clock to generate baud rates.
> >
> > Sebastien
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