Hi - I added some answers inline:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/16/2006 06:55:51 AM:

> Hi all, Dan,
> 
> Thank you for your comments. After your tips I started again on the 
> tutorial, but found some small issues:
> * On this page: 
> 
http://ws.apache.org/muse/docs/2.0.0/tutorial/06-custom-capabilities.html 
> I followed the instructions and afterwards run the ant tool, however it 
> gave some errors. I looked at the sample file in 
> 
sample/wsn-producer/src/org/apache/ws/muse/test/wsrf/MyCapabilityImpl.java 

> and there I saw that there were some imports I did not have and there 
> was a declaration I did not have:
> import org.apache.muse.ws.addressing.soap.SoapFault;
> import org.apache.muse.ws.notification.NotificationProducer;
> import org.apache.muse.ws.notification.WsnConstants;
> import org.apache.muse.util.xml.XmlUtils;
> import org.w3c.dom.Element;
> private static final QName _TOPIC_NAME = new QName(NAMESPACE_URI, 
> "MyTopic", PREFIX);
> 
> Should these imports normally be done automatically? Maybe I skipped a 
> step or something? It might be cool to know from the start of the 
> tutorial that there is a sample directory where the files of this 
> tutorial can all be found back (they might even include the XSD and WSDL 

> files...) so you can compare your own work with how it should look.

<danj>
If you under the "Implementation Code" section on that page, we list the 
code as it was generated - not much there except getters, setters, and 
empty methods. The code below that is the code needed to implement the 
capability logic discussed - you should copy and paste it into your 
MyCapability.java file to make it complete. Most IDEs should help you fill 
in the imports pretty easily.
</danj>

> 
> * I found that my muse.xml file contained entries like this:
> <desc:capability xmlns:desc="http://ws.apache.org/muse/descriptor";>
> 
> <desc:capability-uri>http://docs.oasis-open.
> org/wsrf/rlw-2/ImmediateResourceTermination</desc:capability-uri>
> 
> <desc:java-capability-class>org.apache.muse.ws.resource.lifetime.impl.
> SimpleImmediateTermination</desc:java-capability-class> 
> </desc:capability>
> 
> Where the one of the sample contains:
> <capability>
> 
> <capability-uri>http://docs.oasis-open.
> org/wsrf/rlw-2/ImmediateResourceTermination</capability-uri>
> 
> <java-capability-class>org.apache.muse.ws.resource.lifetime.impl.
> SimpleImmediateTermination</java-capability-class>
> </capability>
> 
> Why is this, I would have expected them to be some sort of the same 
> format since they were made with the same tool?

<danj>
The XML is the same - it's just a matter of using prefixes vs. default 
namespaces. The sample XML you show that doesn't have prefixes wasn't 
created with the tool - it was created long ago, by hand, before our code 
generation utilities were completed. 
</danj>

> 
> * Section: 
> http://ws.apache.org/muse/docs/2.0.0/tutorial/03-wsdl2java.html#Section4 

> (about the proxy code generation)
> States "New OSGi generated project layout", but isn't this true for Axis 

> as well or is this really OSGi specific?

<danj>
Looks like a typo - it should read "New Client Project Layout" (or 
something). We'll fix it. That material is not OSGi specific.
</danj>

> 
> * In section: 
> http://ws.apache.org/muse/docs/2.0.0/tutorial/08-test-client.html
> Why not provide the entire source code of a client, allowing people to 
> just fast test/extend some things? I mean, I've done some Java in the 
> past (like a year ago) and figure it out finally, however within a 
> tutorial one just wants to test/see functionality of the presented 
> technology and not have to care about those minor things.
> 

<danj>
Not sure what you mean by 'the entire source code of a client' - the 
client code is generated as part of the WSDL2Java steps (see last answer). 
The main() that is shown is just a test driver that uses the client.
</danj>


> * In that same section of the test client, it is said to replace 
> http://... with your personal URL. However the sample code contains two 
> instances, one for creating "uri" and one for creating "consumerURI". 
> Should they both be replaced? But if they are both the same, why not 
> just use one URI instance? If they are different, maybe explain why.

<danj>
Both URIs need to be updated with your local info.
</danj>


> 
> * One more about the sample file, I seem not to get the importing of the 

> EndpointReference right..... Which file should be in its classpath and 
> how is it imported, because it seems I'm not able to manage it right. 
> Now using "import org.apache.ws.addressing.EndpointReference;" with 
> wsrf-1.1.jar in its classpath, but probably need an other one since muse 

> 2.0 came with wsrf 1.2. In one of your sample files 
> 
(samples/simple/src/org/apache/muse/test/simple/SimpleResourceClient.java) 

> you used "import org.apache.muse.ws.addressing.EndpointReference;" 
> however again, what place needs to be in my classpath to import this 
one?
> 

<danj>
Not sure I understand... what is wsrf-1.1.jar? This isn't one of our jar 
files. The non-muse EPR class is probably from Axis2, although that one 
should have 'axis2' in the package name. So I don't really know where that 
class is from. The last class you reference is the Muse EPR class you 
should use.

If you want, send a list of the jar files in your application and I can 
see if you have any unintended dependencies.
</danj>

> * About your questions Dan:
> A: I will come back to you at this, basically I think XML files will do 
> just fine for me.
> B: Files on a (virtual) filesystem are fine. The number of copies needed 

> to be distributed are in the range of 3-10. For larger distribution a 
> P2P like technologies *might* be useful in my case, but initially not 
> needed.
> 
> Best regards,
>     Bertrand
> 
> 
> Daniel Jemiolo wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Here are some answers for the issues you raised:
> >
> > 1. The location of the Muse directory doesn't really matter - since 
> > everyone has a preference we just assumed not mention it. What *is* 
> > important is putting /bin on your path so you can invoke the tools 
from 
> > anywhere.
> >
> > 2. I will add a 'Note' on section 3 of the tutorial that advises Unix 
> > users to add a .sh suffix.
> >
> > 3. I will delegate to Andrew on the matter of script format and 
> > permissions - I also thought this was handled.
> >
> > 4. All Apache projects provide a binary and source distribution - the 
> > binary is the one that you actually need to work with the project, the 

> > source is just a convenience for those that want to browse the code. 
Our 
> > build process does not even require you to download the source zip 
file, 
> > we just provide it because all other projects do and it's easy to 
create.
> >
> > Short answer: you normally only need the binary. You can get the 
source if 
> > you're curious. If you want to modify some of the source and rebuild, 
> > follow the instructions here:
> >
> >         http://ws.apache.org/muse/source-code.html#build-release
> >
> > 5. You need to add the XSD/WSDL files that sample-wsn-producer.wsdl 
> > imports - these are the WSRF/WSN/WSDM XSDs/WSDLs. This is mentioned in 
the 
> > first 'Note' in section 2. However, we should do a better job of 
linking 
> > to them in the 2.1 documentation; I will fix this, in the meantime, 
the 
> > XSDs/WSDLs are found by clicking 'OASIS Standards' in the menu.
> >
> > 6. The default persistence mechanism is file based and will not write 
to 
> > another machine. The interface and abstract class used by the default 
> > implementation are meant to be reused in situations where you want a 
> > different form of persistence, such as relational database or (in your 

> > case) simply copying to another machine. I can help you write the code 
you 
> > need, but first I need some answers myself:
> >
> >         a. Do you want to use a different format from the one used by 
> > Muse's default implementation? Or are you satisfied with it. The 
default 
> > implementation stores EPR reference parameters in the XML files under 
> > /router-entries.
> >
> >         b. Are you content with storing separate files on disk, or do 
you 
> > have a more robust persistence mechanism in mind? How many resource 
> > instances will there be? If the number is large, we won't be able to 
use 
> > files because of performance issues, and this will significantly 
affect 
> > how much code we can reuse from Muse today.
> >
> >
> > thanks,
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/15/2006 06:27:35 AM:
> >
> > 
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> In the process of started to get acquainted with muse 2.0, I stumbled 

> >> upon a few issues and questions.
> >>
> >> I downloaded the binary distribution, however I found the 
installation 
> >> page 
http://ws.apache.org/muse/docs/2.0.0/tutorial/01-install-muse.html 
> >> quite  some short on the subject of installation. It does not gives a 

> >> suggestion where to place the unpacked directory (I placed it in 
> >> /usr/local/muse ) or if there need to be a PATH or other environment 
> >> variable set (it does however suggest the ./bin directory to be 
> >> included, so that is OK :P ).
> >>
> >> Furthermore, the shell scripts are not ready executable and have a 
> >> suffix (which makes them incompatible with the tutorial command line 
> >> http://ws.apache.org/muse/docs/2.0.0/tutorial/03-wsdl2java.html ).
> >>
> >> Furthermore, the shell scripts are still in binary format, even tough 
I 
> >> found the subject already covered on the mailing list: 
> >> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=muse-user&m=115892779030401&w=2 .
> >>
> >> The installation page does also not state for what purpose one should 

> >> use the binary and for what purpose one should use the source 
> >> distribution (so I picked binary, but maybe source would be a better 
> >> option, I don't know...).
> >>
> >> I was also doing the tutorial and on this page 
> >> http://ws.apache.org/muse/docs/2.0.0/tutorial/03-wsdl2java.html I 
came 
> >> into problems while (automatically) installing axis:
> >> wsdl2java -wsdl 
> >> /home/bertrand/Thesis/codebase/muse_test/sample-wsn-producer.wsdl
> >>
> >> SEVERE: [ID = 'FailedLoadingWSDL'] Got exception loading WSDL: [ID = 
> >> 'InvalidFile'] The file specified does not exist: 
> >> /home/bertrand/Thesis/codebase/muse_test/WS-Addressing-2005_08.xsd. 
> >> Remember that the location of the file is relative to the 
application's 
> >> working directory..
> >>
> >> An exception was caught: [ID = 'FailedLoadingWSDL'] Got exception 
> >> loading WSDL: [ID = 'InvalidFile'] The file specified does not exist: 

> >> /home/bertrand/Thesis/codebase/muse_test/WS-Addressing-2005_08.xsd. 
> >> Remember that the location of the file is relative to the 
application's 
> >> working directory..
> >>
> >> So can somebody give some advice on this? Should there be a PATH set 
or 
> >> something?
> >>
> >> Final question, on the "Features" page it is stated that muse 2.0 
> >> contains "A persistence API so that users can recover the state of a 
> >> WS-resource after shutdown of the host." Can this also be used to 
copy 
> >> the state an application using the WSRF to an other (secondary) 
machine? 
> >> 
> >
> > 
> >> Can this be done runtime? Because I am looking for such 
functionality. 
> >> If so, could somebody please point to documentation and/or examples 
how 
> >> to start with this?
> >>
> >> I hope I don't sound to negative, because I really appreciate all the 

> >> work being done by the Muse team!
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>     Bertrand
> >>
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