About packaging, I still have hope that Flatpak is successful. With PipeWire, it would be a good combo. >From a vendor perspective, it must be a nightmare to package for Linux :-)
Bruno On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 11:28 AM Brian Durant <[email protected]> wrote: > While we have you on this thread Erich... > Firstly, I would like to say thank you for being so incredibly active on > both the Ubuntu Studio and Fedora Jam projects. Secondly, your vision for > Pipeline integration sounds awesome. Lastly, I consider myself a fairly > average Linux user, and one of the disadvantages that I see at this point > is that a lot of commercial programs that are developed for Linux are only > packaged as .deb files (Bitwig Studio, Waveform, etc.). It would be useful > with some tools to install such programs on Fedora. There are a couple of > scrIpts on GitHub for Bitwig and the Waveform team provides instructions > for an install on an .rpm based system (that don’t always work)... Perhaps > an alternative would be to do as the Solus project, that provides a > separate server with useful third party programs... That way, a functioning > install would be guaranteed. > > My 2¢. > > Brian > > On 3 Nov 2020, at 02.01, Erich Eickmeyer <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Hi Steve, > On 11/2/20 3:01 PM, Steve Batte wrote: > > Hi Erich, > > I know this chain is getting long, but I have a big decision to make and > need advice. In terms of best functionality, most users, best support, > would you recommend: > > 1. Ubuntu Studio 20.4 LTS > 2. Ubuntu Studio 20.10 > 3. Fedora Jam (32 or 33) > > > I'm partial to Fedora, maybe because I've been using it with Stanford's > CCRMA repo for 20 years or so. But I get the impression everyone else is > settling on Ubuntu as the standard. I also prefer KDE and stability, so > last week I installed Kubuntu 20.4 and U-studio on one hard drive, and > Fedora 32 Jam on another. I didn't find much difference, so settled on > Fedora and spent a few days correcting Carla plug-in paths, compiling > WhySynth 2017 and OxeFMSynth etc. But it's not too late to change. > > My day job is stressful but pays well. Music is keeping me sane. I would > love to contribute to one or both of these projects. > > Thanks > Steve > > When it comes to changing the subject, you really need to start a new > thread. So, I hate to say it, but this is a little off-topic. > > That said, this is one of the oldest questions ("Which is best?") as it's > very subjective. As for me, I dual-boot both, but that's mostly because I'm > in charge of both projects (Ubuntu Studio and Fedora Jam). However, if you > had to choose just one, I can't answer that question. What works best for > one person won't necessarily work best for everyone. But, I do have a few > things for you to consider. > > Planet CCRMA At Home was discontinued after Fedora 30, which is EOL. One > thing I've been considering doing was emailing the person in charge of that > to see if he wanted to get it going again. That said, many of the tools > that were in Planet CCRMA At Home are now in Fedora (except the RT kernel, > more on that later). > > My visions for Ubuntu Studio and Fedora Jam are quite different, yet > intertwined. > > Ubuntu Studio is an all-in-one content creation studio. It targets > streamers, musicians, audio engineers (like myself), video producers (like > myself), graphic designers, photographers (like myself), and publishers. > > Fedora Jam targets musicians and audio engineers who are okay with > experimenting with the latest audio technologies in Linux, such as > pipewire. With Fedora 34, we're hoping to get Pipewire mainstream, and I'm > one of the people doing the testing and, quite possible, will be authoring > a system-wide change proposal for all of Fedora to switch to Pipewire as > the default audio server, if I can get a few ducks in a row in those > regards. My rationale is that Pipewire will be a drop-in replacement for > both PulseAudio and JACK and will make applications that target both > completely interoperable without bridges. This, quite literally, is the > dream for audio on Linux that we've been waiting for since ALSA. > > Another thing to consider: Ubuntu Studio was neglected for 2 years > (2016-2018) before I came along. Fedora Jam was neglected for much longer: > 7 years (2013-2020). The longer a distro, or in these cases spins, is > neglected, the harder it is to pick-up the pieces and get it moving again. > Ubuntu Studio is *finally* where it needs to be, but Jam, partially because > the KDE spin went a couple years with a lack of leadership, and partially > because Jam itself went 7 years until this past January, is still > suffering. I've slowly been introducing new packages with plugins and other > software to Fedora. For instance, JACK Mixer had been a thing in Ubuntu > (and Debian) for a very long time, but was never a part of Fedora until > just recently. > > While I have been introducing items formerly in Planet CCRMA and > rolling-in other items, we cannot bring-in an RT kernel, nor would I want > to. I made a huge write-up on the Ubuntu wiki ( > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel) as to why > RT kernels this day and age are a BAD idea. TL;DR: They're full of security > holes, and most modern hardware, with a current Linux kernel, doesn't need > them anyhow. The Ubuntu Lowlatency Kernel and the Fedora kernel are already > lowlatency-enabled. In Jam and Ubuntu Studio, we add an additional kernel > boot parameter, "threadirqs", which activates the already-configured > "CONFIG_IRQ_FORCED_THREADING=y" kernel flag (the code for that flag doesn't > work without the "threadirqs" boot parameter). This allows for more IRQ > threading and lower latency, albiet at the expense of power usage, all > while keeping your system secure. > > So, I hope that helps you in your decision. Either way, I'd welcome > contributions to either or both of these projects. :) > > -- > Erich Eickmeyer > Maintainer Fedora Jam > Project Leader Ubuntu Studio > Council Member Ubuntu Community Council > _______________________________________________ > music mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > music mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[email protected] > -- Bruno VERNAY
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