On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 8:04 AM, Andrew Conkling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Brian Schweitzer < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Actually, I don't remember if it was here or in IRC, but I recall > > recently having a discussion on just this part of FeaturingArtistStyle, with > > regards to how the definition you describe works on classical. > > > > And before I explain what I mean, I agree with Andrew; I can live with > > it if the artist really is featured, but not with the type of thing we > > normally see using this in classical, where the entirety of ARs is dumped > > in, as many as will fit up to the character length limit. > > > > * file the track/release under the primary artist, and > > * add AdvancedRelationships of the PerformanceRelationshipClass to > > link to the secondary artists, and > > * append the name of the secondary artists to the > > TrackTitle/ReleaseTitle as follows: > > o "Put Your Lights On (feat. Everlast)" > > > > My take: > > > > Ok, normal release not using composer-as-artist, this works, even though > > it's kind of confusingly written. Tom Jones is the album artist, thus the > > primary, Billy Joel is featured on one track, he's the secondary, he gets a > > feat. > > > > Now, classical (or soundtracks/musicals too, since they also use > > composer-as-artist), it kind of either breaks, or emphasizes exactly the > > specific rare type of classical feat Andrew described, depending on how you > > look at it. Since the primary now is the composer, not any performer, the > > orchestra/conductor/etc shifts into secondary. We don't actually want all > > that AR info smushed into the track titles, but that's where it either > > breaks or clarifies. Because we do have 3 levels of artists here, not 2, I > > think the best interpretation is to follow the intent of the above > > guideline, not the strict "secondary always = feat." > > > > If, in composer-as-artist releases, we use the tertiary artist, we > > follow the spirit of the guideline (which was written assuming there is only > > a primary and secondary artist). So here, on composer-as-artist releases, > > only a *specifically mentioned* feat. - a tertiary level artist - would get > > the feat., and all three levels would go into ARs. I don't think a soloist > > rises to the level of being a tertiary artist - unlike non > > composer-as-artist songs, movements with soloists are perhaps even a > > majority of all composer-as-artist works. I'd save is for the real (and > > rare) classical feat.'s - "Track 6: Foo for cello in D major (feat. Yo Yo > > Ma)" written by Bach and that one track (but not the entire BSO release) > > performed by the the BSO and Yo Yo Ma. Otherwise, every musical, opera, and > > most everything else non-symphony would have soloists being shifted into a > > feat., and composer-as-artist releases would simply be overwhelmed by them > > needlessly. > > > > Yes, we definitely agree; this is what I was intending to clarify here. So > how would you suggest that be worded in the ClassicalStyleGuide? Do you > think my emendation is sufficient or do we need something else? > Maybe something like ---- If a track indicates that an artist is "featured", and that artist is '''not''' featured on all tracks of the release, add that information to the track title using FeaturingArtistStyle<http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/FeaturingArtistStyle>: *(feat. violin: Tamsin Little)*. This is to be used '''only''' where "featuring" (or wording to that effect) appears on the liner, and not for soloists, conductors, or other performers performing on a track without such indication. Note: This is only for (feat. ) in the track titles. All artists, featured or not, should still be attributed to the track using advanced relationships, where possible. ---- I left out the release title bit - we already talk about that elsewhere; if the artist falls under the "feat on all tracks", that other section already covers it, seems more confusing than anything else to try to re-cover it here, since we do include the non-feat's in the () in the release titles. Brian
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