I maintain a very large collection of multichannel discs, Hybrid SACD, DVD-Audio, DualDisc, etc. and have extensive experience entering these releases. I initially started out of the mindset that we should create multiple media for all the various track lists on DVD and Blu-ray but eventually after much debate through edits, etc. came to the conclusion that representing them as one medium makes the most sense.
Hybrid SACD and DualDisc represent a special challenge and should be handled differently because they have a CD element which can and should have a discid attached. That is why they are often entered as two mediums, one with the CD content (that can have a discid attached), and one with the content that is on the DVD side (in the DualDisc example) or on the SACD multichannel layer in the Hybrid SACD case. For standard SACD and DVD/DVD-Audio/Blu-ray releases only one medium is used since there is no discid involved. The way to make DVD’s and Blu-rays with multiple tracklists, etc. work is by using ETI. There are some extreme examples recently with Blu-ray releases of XTC and Yes albums that have as many of 5 different versions of the album on one medium (new stereo mix, 5.1 mix, original mix, quad mix, archive master, etc.). By including ETI with all tracks for which there are multiple “versions” with the same name, it is very clear what is what. Here is an example of a Blu-ray with a crazy amount of tracks, but with the ETI it makes perfect sense… http://musicbrainz.org/release/5a64a299-f80c-4dc7-b9ad-ef9d049b2d17 <http://musicbrainz.org/release/5a64a299-f80c-4dc7-b9ad-ef9d049b2d17> To summarize, after extensive experience editing this type of release and debating with various editors over several years, I’m convinced that the single medium with appropriate eti is the way to go (with the DualDisc and Hybrid SACD discid examples being exceptions). At some point in the future it would be nice if MB supported multiple named tracklists on a single medium (which the ability to attach a discid to a tracklist?) or something but I feel very strongly this is the best way to go for now. > On Nov 27, 2014, at 6:24 AM, Philipp Wolfer <ph.wol...@gmail.com> wrote: > > 2014-11-27 12:04 GMT+01:00 MeinDummy <meindu...@nurfuerspam.de > <mailto:meindu...@nurfuerspam.de>>: > Philipp Wolfer-2 wrote > > Why should this content, which is all part of a single DVD medium, be > > splitted on MB? > > Because it's more consistent with the way the SACD is represented. > > > Does this imply that the exact same DVD should be entered differently if it > was released separately or together with a normal CD instead of the SACD? > > > Philipp Wolfer-2 wrote > > If we split every release that consists of different "parts" we would also > > need to split a couple of CD releases because the content is strctured in > > some way (e.g. "album track" and "unreleased bonus tracks"). > > This is not really the same. > The structure for these CD releases is just in the booklet. There'll still > be a single DiscID. > On the DM DVDs, there is a DVD menu with separate submenus for the stereo > and 5.1 versions of the album. > > I don't see much difference in this really. The exact same DVD layout (same > tracks and chapters) could have a completely different menu structure. It's > just the view of the creators of this release how they see the structure of > their work. The argument to follow the layout of the SACD is strange. I have > seen releases were there is 1 CD and 2 LPs, the CD and LPs containing the > same audio content. Nobody would propose to split the CD into two "mediums" > on MB just to follow the layout of the LPs. > > And it is really confusing when 1 DVD disc suddenly shows up as 3 discs on > MB. People would actually assume it is a completely different release. As > another example take any other DVD release, like this 2 DVD video release: > http://musicbrainz.org/release/c821de73-1867-4ade-9084-d6f7c7c54d8b > <http://musicbrainz.org/release/c821de73-1867-4ade-9084-d6f7c7c54d8b> > > In your logic the second disc would be splitted in 3 mediums on MB. I > definitely would not look for a 4 DVD release on MB when I know for sure the > release contains only 2 discs. > > Note: I deliberately focused on the DVD issue here, as I am not sure and > don't know enought about the SACD. The CD and SACD layer seem to have > different track listings, in this regard it would be somewhat similar to a > release where the disc has different content on both sides (I have seen CD + > DVD on a single dual sided disc), and even if it is just one disc this can > only be entered as two mediums. > _______________________________________________ > MusicBrainz-style mailing list > MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style -- Steve Martin
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