On Today at 11:14am, TR=>Tim Reilly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

TR> 
TR> I would appreciate some clarification from the list manager as to what
TR> the purpose of this list is so I can make an informed decision on
TR> remaining subscribed or unsubscribing.
TR> 

Tim,

I think the official position is "in the long run" this will be a great 
list. In the "short run" the list originator has clearly implied "put-up 
or shut-up". IMO opinion you're looking for visionary leadership in the 
wrong place.

I've found over time that you cannot ever influence people's behavior on a 
public list, unless the list is moderated or the list has established a 
set of rules beforehand. The POPULAR opinion is to leave this list for 
"best practices" alone and start another one for "tech support for class 
training".

And its not okay to say put up with the noise as you stated in the 
following message.

On Wednesday at 9:09pm, VC=>Vic Cekvenich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
VC>
VC> As for those interested in learning advanced struts, sorry for the
VC> noise. In the long run this will be a very good list.
VC>

So, Vic you're more than welcome to un-subscribe me (my bad, I forgot,
you're as busy as the rest of us), since I'm "complaining" but I consider
this a classic case of "bait and switch". You never established any common
set of ground rules beforehand, yet you've changed the list policy to also
include 5.2Meg attachments and tech support for your classes. You should
check your list software - if it doesn't have the capability to limit
message size and/or attachments, I would dump it and hire another 
sysadmin. Unless its yourself, then you're stuck.

So unless you wanna keep hearing from "complainers" I would suggest taking
the class traffic off-line. **Some of those introductory message -- Hi, my
name is Rodney -- remind me of watching a TV show about an AA meeting.  
"Hi, my name is Bob, I am a recovering alcoholic"... Good stuff for comic
value...

--
Haroon Rafique
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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