Hi Dwight, Thanks for helping. I will try to reach a support team when I have enough time to put it all together.
Regards, Alexey On Wednesday, October 14, 2015 at 12:05:50 AM UTC+3, Dwight Arthur wrote: > > Hi, Alexey. > > This is getting complex. If at any point you want to pursue the > converasation with the MLO Support staff instead of continuing with the > forum, you can reach them at support [at] mylifeorganized [dot] net > > You wrote "it cannot happen that my current location is not in the NearBy > circle" - I'm afraid that I didn't explain about location precision well > enough. The place that you are actually at is one thing, the place that > your device thinks it's at is another. If your location precision is good > the distinction between the two may be very small and therefore > unimportant. If your location precision is poor then this may be a > significant factor. If my device's calculated location is 5km away from my > actual location and I have a nearby radius of 1km, then the Nearby widget > will be showing locations that are near the device's calculated location > instead of locations that are near your actual location. > > It sounds as though this is not your problem so let's move on. > > I'm not really clear on what the blog meant by "if context's radius > included to NearBy radius." I think maybe there is a translation problem. > If my understanding is correct, the blog should have said something like > "Each context will be included in the NearBy view if a circle with center = > device's current calculated location and radius = NearBy radius intersects > or contains a circle with center at the context location and radius = the > context radius' > > Or, to put it more simply, if the distance between the device's calculated > location and the context location is less than the sum of the Nearby radius > and the Context radius. > > I don't really understand the difference between contexts that get > included in the NearBy view versus contexts that result in location alarms. > I hope that someone else chimes is with the answers that you want, or that > you canget them from support. > > I also do not understand why a location which the device considers to be > 285m away would be included in NearBy if the Nearby radius and the Context > radius were both set to 100m. Unless it had to do with location precision. > Under some circumstances, MLO makes a circle with radius set to Nearby > radius plus location precision. If location precision were 85 m or worse, > then the object which is apparently 285m away might still be nearby - you > could possibly be 85m closer to the object than the device has calculated > and if that were true then you would be within the 200m combined radius. > -Dwight > MLO Betazoid on Windows, Cloud and Android SGN2 > On 10/13/2015 7:14 AM, Alexey Lyubarets wrote: > > Hi Dwight, > > I am using Android version. > > Let me clarify some points: > > - You wrote "First check to ensure that your actual location falls > somewhere in the nearby circle." As I understand, NearBy circle (transp. > grey) is always built around my current location. So, it cannot happen > that my current location is not in the NearBy circle. > - So, it is enough for NearBy radius and Context (green) radius to > cross each other for a task to appear in NearBy view? Because MLO blog > says > "include". I thought that Context radius is only used to show Location > based alerts when my location is within Context radius (or blue circle > cross green circle because blue circle represents my possible location) > and > has nothing to do with NearBy view. > - It still does not explain why on the map Location radius and NearBy > radius have different length - I set them both to the same 0.1km value in > Settings for NearBy and in Location settings for Context. It seems like > NearBy radius can change and depends on location precision. I would > understand if NearBy radius (grey) was always bigger then location radius > (blue) by the distance set it in Settings for NearBy (0.1km in my case), > but it changes. Expressing this in numbers I would expect that if location > radius is 200m then NearBy should be 200 + 100 = 300m, or location is > 1000m > and NearBy is 1000 + 100m = 1100m, but on the map it looks like NearBy is > 2xLocation: 400m - location -> 800m NearBy (however it should be just > 410m). Do you understand what I mean? > > Can it be reported to developers and asked for clarification? Maybe I > incorrectly understand functionality behind this feature. > > > Regards, > > Alexey > > > From MLO blog: > So to summarize the usage of different radiuses in NearBy functionality: > 1. The contexts will be included to NearBy view if context’s radius (a) > included to NearBy radius (b). > 2. You will get an alert when your location precision radius (c) included > to the context radius (a). > > > > On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 7:02:33 PM UTC+3, Dwight Arthur wrote: >> >> Hi, Alexey. I'm guessing that you are using an iphone, right? I don't >> know much about iphones and if that's what you are on I'd ask someone else >> to help with the explanation. >> >> On my Android device there are three factors. >> 1. The radius defined in "contexts and locations" for each location that >> you have set up. This one defines how big the location is. You would set a >> smaller value for an urban streetcorner than for a major sports stadium. >> >> >> 2. The radius defined in settings>nearby. This one defines how far from >> the target location you can be and still consider it "nearby" >> >> 3. The third one, I will call location precision. If I am using GPS, the >> location the device thinks it is at is within 5 to 15 meters of its actual >> location on a good day while outside. When GPS is off to save battery, and >> I'm outside the range of wifi transmitters known to Google, and I'm in an >> area with low density of cell towers, I have had my device identify a >> location as much as 5km from where I am. You should probably set a value >> for your nearby radius that is no smaller than your location precision. >> >> If you look at the map in the nearby view, and if you tap the pin for the >> location involved you will see a circle around the pin with a radius set in >> #1 above, and a dot for your device's estimate of your current location, >> with a circle with radius set in #2 above. First check to ensure that your >> actual location falls somewhere in the nearby circle. If so, then check if >> the nearby circle and the location circle touch each other. If they do, >> then the distance between your device's presumed location and your target >> location is less than the target radius plus the nearby radius and the >> target is considered nearby. >> -Dwight >> Mlo betazoid on Android sgn2 >> >> On Oct 12, 2015, Alexey Lyubarets <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Arthur, >>> >>> May I also ask you why NearBy widget which is set to radius 0.1 km in >>> settings shows a shop which is 0.285 km away from my location according to >>> the widget itself? >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Alexey >>> >>> On Sunday, October 11, 2015 at 5:24:12 AM UTC+3, Dwight Arthur wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, Alexey. You have done a great job of documenting a feature called >>>> "Location Inheritance" which has been requested by several different users >>>> but which the MLO developers have not yet decided to implement. While you >>>> wait for them to pick up on the idea, you canachieve what you want a >>>> little >>>> less conveniently, by entering something along the lines of >>>> @Shop1; @Shop2; @Shop3. >>>> -Dwight >>>> >>>> On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 4:47:09 AM UTC-4, Alexey Lyubarets wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi guys, >>>>> >>>>> I have the following scenario: >>>>> >>>>> 1. There is a list of purchases I need to make. >>>>> 2. I can buy things in any of Shop1, Shop2, Shop3 >>>>> 3. I want my purchase list to be shown in Nearby widget if I am in >>>>> any of these shops. >>>>> >>>>> What I expected would work: >>>>> >>>>> 1. I created three contexts for each shop and setup coordinates >>>>> for each of them. Radius 0.2 km. >>>>> 2. I created a ShoppingList context where I added my shopping >>>>> tasks. I did not setup location for it. >>>>> 3. I added my shop-contexts from step 1 as Included contexts to >>>>> ShoppingList. >>>>> 4. I setup Nearby Radius to be 0.5 k >>>>> >>>>> So, I expected that whenever I am near by one of the shops >>>>> ShoppingList context becomes "active" (as it includes all shops) I can >>>>> see >>>>> my entire shopping list on "NearBy" widget. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It does not work in this way. Andy advice on this? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> >>>>> Alexey >>>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MyLifeOrganized" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mylifeorganized. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/60102a31-d050-46c5-a229-0ca0ef153bb8%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> https://groups.google.com/d/ >>> msgid/mylifeorganized/60102a31-d050-46c5-a229-0ca0ef153bb8%40googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -Dwight >> Mlo betazoid on Android sgn2 >> -Dwight >> Mlo betazoid on Android sgn2 >> -Dwight >> Mlo betazoid on Android sgn2 >> -Dwight >> Mlo betazoid on Android sgn2 >> -Dwight >> Mlo betazoid on Android sgn2 >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MyLifeOrganized" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <javascript:>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mylifeorganized. > To view this discussion on the web visit > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/2ba964c8-fdde-4fcd-9f87-43b1661373f8%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/2ba964c8-fdde-4fcd-9f87-43b1661373f8%40googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MyLifeOrganized" group. 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