A quick message of support for MLO (of course) but for a dedicated wiki what I use is *ZIM*: It's FOSS under current development and presents a clean text environment (good for focussed writing) and an infinite heirarchy/tree based on the folder system:
- Architecture is the file system i.e. folders and txt files enhanced by wiki-like encoding (not markdown but xxx - sorry, forgot!) with clean & simple formatting. - It has links and backward links, universal tags, recent history, bookmarks, advanced search, attachments, image handling, background indexing and saving. - There are add-ins such as journal, task-list, maths and many others. - Data can be exported as markdown, HTML and other formats. On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 5:02:58 AM UTC+1 [email protected] wrote: > I'm back, and sure enough, delving into Obsidian turned an experiment with > it into using more regularly. > > Having come from Joplin, I can say that while Obsidian has a lot of cool > features, Joplin is open-source, seems to support nearly all the same > features (it also has plugins), etc. and the one thing I've heard people > cite as a weakness is, to me, a strength (after a few weeks working with > Obsidian): > > With Obsidian, the markdown file has the same filename as the note's > title-- there is no distinction, so you can not name a note with any > characters that are forbidden in the file system. This broke tons of my > note names when I important, and some just can't be fixed (how many notes > do I have that are titled with a question?). Joplin mangles the markdown > file's name, and stores the note's name as distinct from the filename, so > the note names remain intact, irrespective of the filesystem. Joplin also > stores the data in a straight directory structure, with no hierarchy, but > inside your Joplin.. uhh.. vault-equivalent, there is one. > > I think if I had known more about this topic (not just note-taking, but > PKM in general), when I started using Joplin, I might never have switched. > It seems most of the other features I thought were missing from Joplin are > actually available if you go to look for them. It has several export > options, too, if you wanted to take your data (remember-- open-source) to > another program. > > I will give Obsidian props for several things: thriving community, insane > number of plugins, pretty UI, and seeming to sit well with the committed > PKM crowd. I happen to like (but others would likely feel the opposite way) > that you have to come up with your own synchronization arrangement, unless > you want to pay for their service. > For joplin: mobile app works pretty well, supports natively several types > of synchronization, and isn't just the desktop app crammed onto the > device's screen. Joplin also seems to be much more stable as far as the > editor goes-- both the markdown and WYSIWYG editors. Feels more solid-- a > truck, not a sports car. > > On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 8:22:00 AM UTC-7 [email protected] wrote: > >> hello John, >> >> thank you for your extensive review. Will certainly have a look (already >> gave it a glance)! My first impression is that Obsidian fits my (moderate) >> needs perfectly, but am always curious and on the lookout for the best fit >> - and before this thread had not heard of Logseq, so some personal >> reviewing to do this weekend. >> >> Cheerio all! >> >> Op dinsdag 5 april 2022 om 08:15:26 UTC+2 schreef [email protected]: >> >>> >>> Hi Derek, >>> >>> As Mark pointed out, Obsidian isn't open source, and I'd add, it's free >>> for non-commercial use but if you mix work projects and personal notes in >>> one big collection (with separate branches/folders for different types of >>> projects, etc), then you'll likely exceed their personal-use-only free >>> license. >>> >>> More importantly to me, Logseq being open source means I can run it >>> locally on my machine even without Internet access, modifying it however I >>> want to add features, run it locally on my home network, experiment with >>> different use-cases that others may not care about. It really depends on >>> your own needs and goals. >>> >>> And especially for me, I'm working on other software that deals with >>> Structured Data and then pairs with Logseq to handle the Unstructure Data >>> type content (aka "Free-form Markdown outlines" in Logseq, Obsidian, etc), >>> so my needs are probably even weirder than most people's... :-) >>> >>> So... Logseq may or may not fit your needs, but especially since it's >>> completely free and open source, seems like it's worth checking out before >>> committing to any one product and spending time migrating previous notes >>> and everything into whichever one you choose. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> -John >>> >>> >>> On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 1:49:40 PM UTC-7 [email protected] wrote: >>> >>>> hi John, thanks for your reply! Could you point out the advantages of >>>> Logseq when compared to Obsidian? The points you mentioned about Logsec >>>> are >>>> equally applicable to Obsidian (free, open source, very dedicated team of >>>> developers, frequent updates). >>>> >>>> cheers, Derek. >>>> >>>> Op zondag 3 april 2022 om 20:02:41 UTC+2 schreef [email protected]: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I've seen lots and lots of people talking about Logseq online as a >>>>> competitor/substitute for Obsidian, especially since it's free, >>>>> open-source, and has a small team of developers (I think six?) that crank >>>>> out new code releases every other day at a shocking pace. 😊 >>>>> >>>>> I'd used other notes- and outlining-apps in the past, including >>>>> Dynalist from the creators of Obsidian, but in the past couple months, >>>>> I've >>>>> played with Logseq quite a bit, then started using it daily, then >>>>> migrated >>>>> over YEARS of old notes, and I'm loving it so far. Also, having all my >>>>> notes in an open-source app with Markdown files in the underlying >>>>> directories means I'm never locked into anything and I can already >>>>> seamlessly migrate to other notes apps that use the Markdown format. >>>>> >>>>> I liked it enough that I signed up on OpenCollective to donate monthly >>>>> to their Logseq open-source project and hopefully keep the momentum going >>>>> with all their many improvements. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, check it out if you can... >>>>> >>>>> -John >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 2:34:36 AM UTC-7 [email protected] >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I agree with all the opinions here .. will give a try with Obsidian >>>>>> .. >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks everyone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 7:07 AM Fletcher Kauffman < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I second, third, fourth everyone else here in saying "Nah" as a >>>>>>> personal wiki, but I will often a different suggestion: look at Joplin >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> a personal Wiki, if you want open source, and particularly if you're >>>>>>> looking for functionality like Evernote. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I, myself, will be checking out Obsidian and *praying* this doesn't >>>>>>> mean a *third* migration of all of my note stuff in 12 months. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 12:16:59 AM UTC-7 Christoph wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 30.03.2022 23:39, Mark Levison wrote: >>>>>>>> > Srini - I love MLO, I think I'm one of it's earliest users. As >>>>>>>> much as I >>>>>>>> > love it, I can't see using as a Wiki. It doesn't support cross >>>>>>>> linking etc. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > If you enjoy Markdown, have you looked at Obsidian? Ugly UI, >>>>>>>> powerful app. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Same recommendation from me. MLO is great, but not as a personal >>>>>>>> wiki. >>>>>>>> Note that you can link between Obsidian and MLO using special URLs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- Christoph >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MyLifeOrganized" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/a899a899-e240-4ecc-bdcb-a3a270d5c2b0n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/a899a899-e240-4ecc-bdcb-a3a270d5c2b0n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MyLifeOrganized" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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