Hi List members, I just forward this for completeness of the thread .
Best regards Nils Valentin Tokyo/Japan http://www.be-known-online.com/mysql ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: ANN: Database Workbench 2.4 released Date: Wednesday 12 November 2003 01:26 From: Nils Valentin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Martijn Tonies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Martijn , I was not aware of that I started to post offlist if its alright with you I post it also to the list. Give me moment. I will have dinner and then come back to each point so that you can follow it up and hopefully improve the product ;-). (I do this off the list from now) Nils Valentin Tokyo/Japan On Monday 10 November 2003 22:15, you wrote: > Hi Nils, > > > thanks for the reply. You replied to me offline, so I keep it that way > > (if > > you > > > want it so;-) > > Actually, you started it in the last reply :-) > > btw, thank you for your reply, I appreciate your comments. > > > I already mentioned that I like Open source products, there is a good > > reason > > > for that, which I would like to explain. When I buy a product I want to > > use > > > it for a long time. Ideally I want to be able to modify things within the > > software to my needs. An I believe that open source products are good for > > this, for other things as well. > > They sure are good for that. Although I'm unsure if everything does it > that way - on a personal account, I am using open source products as > well, but never have felt the need to modify a single one of them. > > > I installed the software on a Windows 98 machine. The lowest speck > > machine which I have (I always do this with new software). > > > > The speed seems to be reasonable (nothing to complain here ;-) > > > > I accessed a few Mysql databases when I got an "Abstract error". > > If you could retrace your steps and explain what you're doing here, than > it would be very useful. If you could give me simple instructions like > step 1, do this, step 2, do that - I would very much like to have them. > > > When you choose the Blob Editor and try to access a database which you > > dont > > > have access for then a screen tells me " Access violation at address > > 4002F584 > > > in module "RTL70.BPL" Read of address FFFFFFFF" > > Really? Can you explain in more detail? > > > While the software contains possibly all kind of tools and features I > > dont think that the design of the interface is intuitive. > > > > The File menu has a point called Preferences. Is there a point in listing > > up > > > the single sub sections when they lead to the same window containing all > > properties ? > > Actually, it has always been that way and no-one complained. Seems I gotta > change the behaviour then :-) > > > Also the functions should be grouped context sensitive. ( I believe > > DbVisualizer is a good sample here). See how the context of the menu > > changes > > > with the user interactions (try the export functions). > > The main menu (top of the screen) is fixed. The context sensitive menus > in the Enterprise Manager and Database Navigator change all the time. > > > I would perhaps place the tool buttons on a vertical bar between the left > > and > > > the right window, letting the image icons change depending which tool you > > have chosen to see. the tools would be shown in tabs, so that the user > > sees > > > basically only 1 tab at a time (unless he wants to see more windows than > > he > > > should be able to cascade the windows or arrange them on the screen). > > This is more of a UI preference. Many people like the current interface... > > > I dont believe in Error No xxx messages. The window should display the > > meaning > > > for the user. f.e > > > > Not: error 1045 > > but: This combination of username, hostname,db and password is invalid. > > Could you please clarify where this pops up? Would this error come straight > from the MySQL client? > > > Also I dont like popup windows reminding me that I have to register the > > software evrytime when I start the software or click on a special > > feature. That can be mentioned decently in the statusbar once or always, > > but NO > > POPUPS > > > - hope you got this ;-) > > Sorry, that's a trial version... > > > The Wizard screens remind me of another software called SQLyog (available > > here > > > http://www.webyog.com/) which was freely available for quite a while ;-) > > , its right now 30 - 50$. > > Haha - I've seen that tool. You know what the biggest difference is between > the wizards? My graphics were drawn by me while the SQLyog graphics were > taken/copied from the Microsoft SQL Server Enterprise Manager tool. Every > graphic in it. > > > Perhaps the mixture of tools is unique the way you present them ;-) , but > > I > > > certainly think that the GUI could need a good and thoroughly sorting for > > the functions. Think about it this way "KISS" - Keep it stupid simple. > > To > > > many options is like trying to find your car key in the forest (or so > > ;-). > > > > Anyway thats my opinion. I could probaly go on like this for a while... > > At > > the > > > end its the user who decides which products he likes and my result is > > that this product still needs lots of improvements regarding the GUIs > > intuitivity > > > (and the pricing and the license model of course;-). > > Things improve over time, I believe that every release, beta-testers come > up with new things that they like so and so. Of course, one can never argue > about > taste - I actually do get quite some comments saying that many tools can be > found exactly where people expect them to be... :-) > > Could you please reply with a message with more info about the errors you > found? > > > With regards, > > Martijn Tonies > Database Workbench - developer tool for InterBase, Firebird & MS SQL > Server. Upscene Productions > http://www.upscene.com -- Nils Valentin Tokyo/Japan http://www.be-known-online.com/mysql/ ------------------------------------------------------- -- Nils Valentin Tokyo/Japan http://www.be-known-online.com/mysql/ -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
