I have been following myth lists since 0.7. I don't post much, because
I don't have much to offer these days, but I still keep up. I want to
commend Isaac for the maturity he is showing as the leader of this
project. A couple of years ago I remember thinking that he was snappish
and sometimes immature and defensive. Over the last year I have noticed
him cooling down and coming into his own as a manager of an
increasingly large and complicated project. He lets hot-headed comments
roll off of him yet still considers the point the person is making. But
he still makes executive decisions with force (not always popular). It
brings to mind my feeling about why linux is successful. I don't
believe that it was because Linus wrote something so compelling that a
community flocked to linux. Rather I believe that it was because he
wrote something that was pretty good, but he is a really good manager
and communicator with awesome patience.
best,
Cedar
On Jan 27, 2005, at 5:58 PM, Isaac Richards wrote:
On Thursday 27 January 2005 08:28 pm, Doug Goldstein wrote:
Firstly, I don't support, nor like the CVS ebuild. This is why I'm
releasing snapshot ebuilds into Portage.
Secondly, Isaac don't call the ebuild broken for calling make on the
sub directories when YOUR own online documentation provides those
instructions. The reason for this is your continued insistance on
using qmake (which is a broken system). Now if you stopped trying to
insult Gentoo for 5 minutes, you'd see that YOUR own documentation
says you need to do this if you increase the number of jobs that make
can do. Using a proper build system it would ensure that the depends
are built at the right times and functions in parallel.
*MY* documentation is for the released version, which doesn't have a
changing
directory structure. The docs will be updated as appropriate once the
0.17
release is out.
If multiple people write in to the mailing lists with problems that
are caused
by the ebuild in question, and wouldn't have happened if they were
using a
straight CVS checkout, what exactly am I supposed to think? That the
ebuild's working perfectly?
Thirdly, if you want any support on anything the first thing you hear
in the official channel by Isaac or ANY of the other developers is
"Run the latest CVS and then report back." And since Gentoo actually
has a GOOD package management system that users want to use rather
then installing software without it being managed by a package
manager.
Complete your thought please?
Lastly, I have begun work on converting MythTV over to autotools.
Except to see this on the mailing list in the future, however Isaac
has already taken the time to insult me and make it abundantly clear
it won't be accepted. But hey, it's my choice to persue it... gotta
love open source.
When did I insult you?
I did make it clear that autotools won't be accepted because:
- They add quite a bit to the size of the tarball, and it's big enough
already.
- Debian has *5* different versions of automake in unstable at the
moment to
handle building packages of various ages, all incompatible. I really
dislike
using build software where every minor version bump requires
rewriting, and
requires every developer to be synced to the exact same version.
- It will add to the already long compile time. qmake's pretty quick.
- libtool's just nasty.
The *only* reason you gave me to use autotools was that qmake was
using badly
ordered library paths, which I fixed last night after you said that it
couldn't be done. You were strangely silent on any other reason to
use it.
It didn't seem like you wanted to discuss it at all, in fact.
I'd happily accept patches that moved a bunch of the config options
from
settings.pro into the existing (sh-based) configure script, though.
Isaac
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