On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:05:15 -0400 Dewey Smolka wrote: > > > > > > If I buy one of these devices and then use it in my home, that appears > > > > to me to be non-commercial use. As far as zap2it.com is concerned it > > > > places no greater load than if i brewed my own mythbox. > > > > > > > > IMHO commercial use would be, say, downloading information from > > > > zap2it.com and re-selling it. > > > > > > Your HO is flat out 100% wrong. > > > > Explain? Actually I was only commenting on the previous poster's post, > > and he referred to the "commercial" use. How is it commercial use for me to > > access the service? > > Nobody is talking about you accessing the service. The commercial part > comes when a company sells Myth boxes with a promise of program data > without monthly fees. It's not exactly copying and reselling > labs.zap2it data, but it's pretty close. > > A PVR is pretty much worthless without program data (note, this is > only about the TV recording capabilities of Myth, not the > music/video/weather/etc features). If I start selling Myth boxes (or > worse, closed and rebranded Myth boxes) with the understanding, either > implicit or explicit, that the program data is free, then I am > defrauding the customer because I have no control over the data and > cannot gurantee its availability, and violating the agreement with > zap2it because I don't have the right to use their data for commercial > purposes. > > It's not about reselling zap2it's free service, which would get you > hot water very quickly. It's about using zap2it's free service as a > selling point for a decidedly commercial venture -- selling hardware > that runs MythTV (or a closed, rebranded MythTV that violates the > GPL). > > That is why your HO is 100% wrong. > > We here are very fortunate to have zap2it provide listings for us for > free -- without program data there would be far fewer people using > Myth, and far less development at a much slower pace. We would like to > continue to recieve zap2it data, and therefore do not like it when > people do things that threaten this service (let alone when they try > to rip the GPL out of Myth). > > We are also very fortunate to have a commercial venture called LxM > which provides listings and other value-added services for MythTV for > a very reasonable price, and which respects the open foundation upon > which MythTV was built, as well as expressly giving back to the > further development of the project. > > The moral of the story is that if you sell Myth boxes, it is a > commercial venture. If it is a commercial venture the seller cannot > give away zap2it's data, but can and should steer the customer to LxM, > which also provides data. This also means that the commercial venture > contributes back to community at least indirectly through LxM > subscriptions, and hopefully directly, since anyone selling them > surely has some ideas how to improve Myth and the time to do so, > especially because working with Myth would be a full-time job. > > Get it?
Oh don't worry, i get it, and i am sympathetic to the cause. However I can't find a copy of the zap2it.com license. I am not in North America, but man tv-grab_na_dd tells me: "You must first register with Data Direct at: <http://labs.zap2it.com> You'll need to provide the XMLTV certificate code " Or are the commercial operators registering for zap2it then preloading the registrations into their boxes? -- Nick Rout
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