I find that they stay on better when the nail is healthy also. I tell the client that they will stay on better when they get some of the damaged nail grown out and they need to come in earlier then most, at least every two weeks and to keep the nails short until we get them in shape. With the bitters, you have to start somewhere or they will continue to chew. If they loose a nail, I tell them they have to get in to get it fixed right away or they will chew that one and any progress is lost. Put a bandaid on it to cover it up and call me. I always try to work with them and get them in as soon as possible. Like that day. After about a month they do much better. Angie Wingerter
________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: NailTech Group <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:59:28 PM Subject: NailTech:: Re: Why gels? And Essie pedi opinions... I am the one who wrote this comment about bad nail plates... I was referring to clients who chew their nails way back into the nail bed... When there is barely anything to attach to. I can put nails on nails with damaged nail plates but there is usually always lifting... But I use acidless primers... Sooooo..... I have never had chronics wear nails flawlessly until their nail plates grew out to a healthier state.... So that is why I said that... JMO I guess Melody Montgomery Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. Cellular -----Original Message----- From: Jess in WA <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:47:14 To: NailTech<[email protected]> Subject: NailTech:: Re: Why gels? And Essie pedi opinions... > Also, gel-and really, NO enhancement-will adhere to unhealthy nail plates! > If someone is a "chronic", i.e., severe nail biter, picker, or whatever the > case-if their nail plates are severely damaged, it doesn't matter WHAT you > do, that stuff isn't going to stay I have to disagree with this comment. While its not always fun, I get LOTS of these clients because word spreads that they can have pretty nails. It takes some extra work and excellent prep, but you can certainly get nails on a severe nail biter or thin nails. My clients typically go 3-4 weeks between services and I suggest these clients come every 2-3 weeks until their natural nails are grown out, but they certainly stay. Pickers can be difficult, but use a coverage pink or have them wear polish and make sure there are no sharp areas for them to start picking and they will come back shocked their nails are still fabulous. Michelle, I'm in Seattle! Let me know if you would like to attend a class sometime ;) -Jess Hoel www.luvnailz.com On Feb 11, 10:32 am, "Melody C. Montgomery" <[email protected]> wrote: > OK Jennifer, > > If you pile on too much gel at once it will indeed HEAT SPIKE. It comes > from the photo-initiators in the proyduct that cause it to cure. When the > gel goes under the UV light, the photo-initiators move more and more rapidly > causing the product to cure. It is this movement that generates the heat. > > Heat spike can cause PERMANENT NAIL DAMAGE! You want to avoid this at ALL > times! Learn to build in thinner layers.. It will burn your nail plates > and nail beds just like FIRE will! > > Also, gel-and really, NO enhancement-will adhere to unhealthy nail plates! > If someone is a "chronic", i.e., severe nail biter, picker, or whatever the > case-if their nail plates are severely damaged, it doesn't matter WHAT you > do, that stuff isn't going to stay. But if they stick it out, keep their > fingers OUT OF THEIR MOUTH and stop PICKING THEM OFF, then once their > natural nail is healthy again (under the service) you will see lifting > issues, etc, stop. > > Of course, getting a "chronic" to stop breathing would be easier.. hahaha! > > Melody C. Montgomery > Manicuring Professional > Everything Nailz Ink > Greenville, NCwww.everythingNAILZink.com > 252-217-8221 > _____ > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of Jennifer Hopping > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:48 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: NailTech:: Re: Why gels? And Essie pedi opinions... > > Melody I am a "chronic !!" LMAO !! I had on a set of AC loved them !!I got a > reaction going on to the monomer so now I switched back to gels but being a > "chronic" I picked and peeled off the nails with a substancial bit of my > nails plates very very sad :( I look like I put them in a shredder !! sucks > but they will grow out. and I will throw a new set on again I find that the > gels do not wear well on peeps that are hard on their hands ala me so I put > some ac over the clear coat to strenghten them but as far as damage OMG if > you pick your going to ruin your natural nails I agree with your psliosifie > :) You need to know it all to make $$$ and be on the top of your game !! > Practice practice practice . Do you find when you put your builder gel on > heavy it tends to heat spike ??? i wonder if theres over exsposer to the UV > light??? silly but I do wonder I had my nails in and out more time then you > can imagine I think it may dry the nail beds out similar to sun burn ?? > results in peeling dry nail beds ?? just wondering here Anybody ?? Comments > ??? If I develped a monomer sensitivity is that it for me ever again from > wearing them ?? I now wear finger cots for client application from the > finger burn . Ladies let me know what u think .. Jennifer > > --- On Wed, 2/11/09, Michelle Cordes <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Michelle Cordes <[email protected]> > Subject: NailTech:: Re: Why gels? And Essie pedi opinions... > To: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 8:29 AM > > Howdy Marsha, Melody, and Shannon...etc... etc... :) > Yes, I learned how to do gels in school... right alongside the acrylic and > wraps. That was 13 years ago, and since I understand that products change > and get better, and new ones come out, I have continued to try to find a gel > I can master that doesn't frustrate the cr#p out of me!!! So here is some > more info. > > I can easily do tips or natural overlay of clear gel. That is a piece of > cake. I can do pink gel and white gel paint, still pretty easy. I find that > either the client does great (no lifting or breaking) or they are an > ABSOLUTE MESS- no in between. This has made it hard for me to figure out if > I have done something wrong or they just can't wear gels- but if it's just > some can't wear them- then DAMN lots of people can't! > > My next issue is tips. I don't use tips for my acrylic for a reason. I > prefer to sculpt because it is faster for me, there is no glue breakdown, > and I feel I get a more flattering shape to the nail. I can't sculpt gel. > Just can't. I have tried with every product, gone to classes, watched > endless videos and I just can't seem to get it. Haven't had my a-ha moment > yet... :) > > And then my third issue is time. I do a full set of pink and white sculpted > acrylic in just under an hour, backfill in just under an hour, and my fills > take about 45 minutes. From what I have seen, a one color gel fill is also > between 45 minutes to an hour, but a full set is at least an hour and a > half. I charge $30 for a fill, $38 for a backfill, and $70 for a full set > with acrylics... I would have to charge MORE than that because gels are more > time... > > So yes, Marsha, I guess I am asking... why should this old dog learn some > new tricks? I have always subscribed to the idea that people should find > what they are best at and then find the clients who are looking for what > they do, otherwise you can get the "jack of all trades, master of none" > thing goin' on. But I also don't want to be that nailtech who sits around > going "my way is the best, so I'm not learnin anything new"! > > Any input from anyone? :) > Michelle Cordes > > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: NailTech:: Re: Why gels? And Essie pedi opinions... > To: "NailTech Group" <[email protected]> > Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 4:32 AM > The largest reason why gels are preferred by clients is that they are > hypoallergenic and no fumes. Typically zero lifting.... They are not porous > like AC so polish doesn't stain them and acetone will not break down the gel > like it will AC. > > I will note that the majority of the public believes that gel is "better for > your nails than AC." What they mean is they think there is less damage to > the nail plate.... But I am always quick to inform them that it is the > TECHNICIAN that causes damage to nail plates!!! Haha! Except, of course, in > the case of "chronics"---- those that chew, rip, tear, and/or pick their > nails off! > > You newbies will begin to find that most spas and a lot of salons do not > want techs to use AC because of the "perfumed aroma" that is released! > Giggles... I just tell them it smells like money to me! However they will > not let you use AC in their businesses because of that. > > So... I would recommend that ANY professional nail artist, specialist, > technician-- whatever you dubb yourself-- learn ALL products! AND know the > differences, pros & cons of each... It will only make you more marketable! > > Melody Montgomery > Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device from U.S. Cellular > > _____ > > From: shannon > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 04:05:15 -0800 (PST) > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: NailTech:: Re: Why gels? And Essie pedi opinions... > > I ditto what Marsha said, they file like butter. Just easier to work with > for me. > > Shannon Arnold > Flip Flop Beauty Shop > Coopers Plains, NY > [email protected] > > --- On Wed, 2/11/09, Marsha Rubino <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Marsha Rubino <[email protected]> > Subject: NailTech:: Re: Why gels? And Essie pedi opinions... > To: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 3:28 AM > One reason I like using gels is that they are so easy to file and doing a > backfill is a snap. Doing a backfill in acrylic is way too much work. But I > am confused by your question, Michelle.....you say you have been using gel > since school.......is it you feel you haven't mastered them yet and are you > asking....is it worth the effort? Plus, although they are becoming more > widely available, for many years, it was hard for clients to find someone > who did gels....at least in my area. I wanted to fill that need. > > Marsha McDonald Rubino > GIMME NAILS > 37 Fifth St. E. Suite 102 > Kalispell, Montana 59901 > [email protected] > > _____ > > From: Michelle Cordes <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:39:54 AM > Subject: NailTech:: Re: Why gels? And Essie pedi opinions... > > oh. and I suppose I should add this... > I've used gel since nail school. I have used Vibrato, OPI Microbond, IBD > (including gel polish), and currently use Brisa. I have used over tips, > natural nails, tried to sculpt, builder white, paint on white... I am not > new at this... really.... LOL! OK, now let me have it ladies! > > Michelle Cordes > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Michelle Cordes <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Michelle Cordes <[email protected]> > Subject: NailTech:: Why gels? And Essie pedi opinions... > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 11:35 PM > > Hey ladies. Ok, 2 questions... > > 1.) Has anyone tried the Essie pedicure line? My co-worker just bought an > intro kit and I am interested to hear any input y'all have... > > 2.) Can you girls who do gels AND acrylics (or have in the past done both) > explain to me why go with gel instead of acrylic? Other than odor, I get > that part. But for example, we do lots of acrylic in the salon I work in, so > there would be no reason to do gels to keep smell away. Seriously, I just > watched the tutorial videos at gelessentialz.com <http://gelessentialz.com/> > and it looks like lots of work to me compared to sculpting acrylic!!! LOL... > somebody... anybody... help me understand!!! :) > > I hear y'all talk about gels, and it fascinates me, but I just can't figure > out why I would want to master them personally! Sell me, girls!!! > > Michelle Cordes > Washington (State), where it is snowing. again. so all my clients can > cancel. again. sissies. :) > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG -www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.20/1943 - Release Date: 02/10/09 > 07:20:00 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NailTech" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/NailTech?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
