Is it actually “email” if you have to jump through a bunch of giant hoops that 
aren’t necessarily standards compliant only to deliver to that org?

Sounds like it’s just submission, but I don’t know which definition thereof.

-Dan

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> On May 24, 2025, at 16:03, Michael Thomas via NANOG <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 5/24/25 3:47 PM, Bryan Fields via NANOG wrote:
>> 
>> ARC/RFC8617 was considered, but right now other than google, it appears to 
>> be not widely used.  If this was widely supported, it appears to be a good 
>> solution.
>> 
> No, ARC doesn't help anything beyond what DKIM  can already do for mailing 
> list traversal. It's basically a failed experimental RFC.
> 
> Mike
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