Hi Kevin,

> I can confirm that streaming companies don't like it any more than users  or 
> ISPs. It's all on the contractual requirements forced by the media  content 
> providers, and they even specify which geoIP companies the  distribution 
> company may use.

Yep, it is part of DRM. However, we are as frustrated as end-users are here. 
Our data is the best product in the IP geolocation industry (ref: 
https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3676869) and we do get a lot of flak for being 
so public. But the reality is that many major streaming companies actually do 
not use our data. The ones that do use our data, you never actually hear any 
complaints from them, to be honest. 

The process:
- We should not be wrong in the first place.
- If we are wrong, let us help you before you go to your streaming server 
support.

Like you rarely see us have those conversations in public forums (we check 
Reddit, Twitter, Facebook several times a day, along with our customer forums)

> Given the generally self-destructive state of that industry, it wouldn't  
> surprise me, if geoIP companies ceased existing, media content providers  
> would ban streaming altogether, lose all their viewers and go bankrupt  
> themselves.

Our primary user base is cybersecurity and network architecture applications 
(CDNs). Even streaming companies use our data, adopting us based on our 
presence in the cybersecurity industry first, and then adopting us into DRM 
data services.

> It'll be a small percentage of IPs, netblocks or ASNs, but it'll be the most 
> important ones.

To us all IP addresses are equal.

> Nobody cares if Verizon users are correctly placed 99% of the time, if  any 
> of those users can sign up to NordVPN and use it for the 1% of the  time they 
> want to get around any geoblocks. Correct location is  all-or-nothing. If you 
> don't get the adversarial cases right, you may as  well get none of it right.

We offer VPN detection services. It is up to the streaming companies if they 
want to use it or not. We operate 1,300+ servers worldwide. The network is 
diverse, we can pinpoint each specific data center endpoint for VPN exit nodes. 
Our privacy detection service is our second most important product.

> Right now, it's the residential proxy industry, but it's very expensive. How 
> will you detect a Verizon user is proxying traffic at the TCP layer for 
> someone in Saudi Arabia? That's very difficult, as they won't proxy your ping 
> packets. You'd need to be an MITM to measure layer-7 latency.

We offer residential proxy detection service as well. We connect through these 
services and/or use enhanced detection methods to verify active exit nodes. The 
dataset includes provider name, last seen date, and percentage of days seen. We 
attend a lot of research and industry conferences, so our technical team would 
be quite happy to talk to you in person about our exact methods.

We can observe the "exit node" for the residential proxy. But please look into 
the residential proxy business monetization plans. Residential proxies charge 
by GB transfers. It is prohibitively expensive to be applied in average users 
streaming shows.

> If residential proxy prices were to fall, the entire GeoIP industry would be 
> exposed as snake oil.
> Though I think it's more likely that media companies would team up with ISPs 
> to hunt down proxies with a vengeance. This is already what happens in places 
> like Spain where the same company owns the football games that are getting 
> pirated and the biggest ISPs, and they block half the internet during live 
> football, just in case.

Resproxy data transmission costs $0.5-$8 / GB 
(https://proxyway.com/best/residential-proxies). Resproxy services do not allow 
unlimited data transmission, unlike VPN services.

Our goal is to work with the greater community and stakeholders. If a nation is 
frustrated by government actions, we maintain an open-door policy for networks 
and governments to talk to us. It is not commercial discussions, but we are 
happy to advise and share our insights based on what we have learned observing 
the internet from a data point of view.

Please understand, the points I am making are about IPinfo, not the IP 
geolocation industry at large. If IP geolocation went away, we hope 
people/companies will move to us and whatever industry we represent. The IP 
geolocation industry has left such a bad taste for ISPs, end users, and 
services, we are trying to distance ourselves from the stereotypes of the 
industry.

— Abdullah | DevRel, IPinfo
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