I was thinking ISP provided PPPOE DSL modem software, DSLAM 'devices' - come to think about it , really ANY non-Microsoft networking device/software combination you might use that "uses, accesses or executes on" the box... but who cares? - hasn't stopped or slowed one packet yet :-)
> -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Call [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 10:34 AM > To: Benjamin P. Grubin > Cc: 'Richard Forno'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Nanog (E-mail)' > Subject: RE: [OT]Microsoft makes networked software 'illegal' on > XPunless you pay them.. > > > Programs made "illegal" by this license: > > VNC > PCAnywhere > Apache (CGI) > IIS (CGI) <-- Weird, ain't it? > etc... > > It could conceivably be applied to dedicated Quake servers > and the like as > well. > > Easy way to solve problem, don't run Wndows VMSNT2kXP :) > > Apologies for the non-op content, back to your regularly scheduled noc > pinging. > > -S > > > On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Benjamin P. Grubin wrote: > > > > > Err--I think you guys are reading too much into this. The > license (to > > me, and IANAL), seems to indicate that the workstation > cannot be used as > > a server unless you purchase server licenses. It strikes me that > > language very similar to this has been in the workstation > products since > > NT4. > > > > I do, OTOH, think that the legal ramifications sounds quite > far-reaching > > since the language is so broad. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On > > > Behalf Of Richard Forno > > > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 9:22 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Nanog (E-mail) > > > Subject: Re: [OT]Microsoft makes networked software 'illegal' > > > on XPunless you pay them... > > > > > > > > > > > > That's funny. > > > > > > Yet another case of someone - either a company through > licensing and > > > litigation, or a government through legislation - trying to > > > effect both > > > software quality. > > > > > > Forget the fact that such tools may be exploitable - if > > > you're a computer > > > criminal, the fact you're violating a software license clause > > > probably isn't > > > going to deter you from your actions, much like how 'drug > > > crimes using a > > > gun' probably doesn't deter many drug criminals, either. > > > > > > Instead of addressing the technical problem - eg, poor > > > software development > > > and flaws in how the software works - we're once again seeing it > > > legislated/litigated away (I'm thinking of Adobe E-Reader, > > > DeCSS, etc here). > > > Talk about burying your head in the sand, which appears to be > > > the status > > > quo, even in today's environment of security hysteria where > > > we 'need to do > > > more'. > > > > > > From what I see here in DC, nobody's REALLY interested in > addressing > > > security long term, as it will rock the boat too much; so we > > > continue seeing > > > little goofy ways to look like security is being addressed > > > when in reality, > > > security ISN'T being addressed. > > > > > > rf > > > infowarrior.org > > > windows-free since 1999 :) > > > > > > > > > > From: Bruce Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > From > > > > > > > http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/02/03/18/020318oplivi > > ngston.xml > > > > > > Microsoft's XP license agreement says, "Except as > otherwise permitted > > by > > > the NetMeeting, Remote Assistance, and Remote Desktop features > > described > > > below, you may not use the Product to permit any Device to use, > > access, > > > display, or run other executable software residing on the > Workstation > > > Computer, nor may you permit any Device to use, access, > display, or > > run the > > > Product or Product's user interface, unless the Device > has a separate > > > license for the Product." > > > > > > I guess this improves security.... > > > > > > bye, > > > Bruce Williams > > > "Asking the wrong questions is the leading cause of wrong answers" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Scott Call Router Geek, ATGi, home of $6.95 Prime Rib > "Credo Quia Absurdum" (I believe it, because it is absurd.) > >
