Gee. I've know some CCIE's who seemed a little sexually ambiguous, but I'm not sure that a sweeping generalization is appropriate... :)
- Daniel Golding > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Alexei Roudnev > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 11:52 AM > To: Vadim Antonov; Stephen Sprunk > Cc: Nanog List > Subject: Re: Certification or College degrees? > > > > > > > On Wed, 22 May 2002, Stephen Sprunk wrote: > > > > > Thus spake "Nigel Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Certifications are a waste of time. You'd be better off > > > > obtaining a Computer Science degree and focusing on the > > > > core technologies. > > > > > > If you're looking to write software, sure. A CompSci degree > won't help you > > > in the slightest at operating networks. > > > > Stephen - I bet I can do networks much much better than most > cisco CCIEs, > > even after years of doing network-unrelated work :) That's because I > > understand _why_ the stuff is working, not only how to make cisco box to > > jump through hoops. > > Yes, but after you'll read a few books when you start working as a network > engineer again (if -:)). > > CCIE just come and say _gays, you need Cisco XXX with IOS YY.YY > and configure CEF, > RED, > packet inspection, bla bla bla... and he remember exact IOS commands. > > If people want a narrow edicated engineer, they need CCIE-only > gay. If they weant > someone who can do everything (may be, with extra time to learn > specific piece of > hardware) - they need someone like Vadim. > > And CCIE is not a good example - it's the BEST certification > degree I ever know; > other certifications are much worst - most of them are just > _guess an answer_ > tests. Of course, knowing _top change a domain, you need to > reinstall the system_ > (from some old MS exam) is very important one (because no one can guess an > answer). > > Btw, a friend of mine, very (VERY) high skilled gay, is looking > for the new job > today. When I told about him with someone, I always explain _he > worked with MS > and CISCO for a 10 years; he teach Microsoft in Moscow, he > designed a networks, he > worked as a PS for a 2 years, he bring Ascends into the Russia, > he know Everything > about MS and Cisco. Oh, you need his credentials - btw, he is CCIE and MS > certified engineer. I never start from certificates, because they > say nothing > except _gay can read a books and can learn to answer a questions_. > (Do you need jobless CCIE + MS certified _do not remember who_? > You can hire one > just now). > > > > >
