> Bevan Slattery wrote:
> Just to ease peoples concerns, the patent has nothing
> to do with blackholing.  A brief description of the
> way it works can be found here:

I believe that I am not the only one that is concerned precisely because it is _not_ 
blackholing, it is hijacking, no matter how legitimate the reason.

<me puts the devil's advocate suit on>

To say it bluntly, it smells a lot like the illegitimate offspring of an RBL and 
Verisign's wildcard deal. The phishing con artists redirect the unsuspecting mark to a 
third-party site, and this stuff also redirects the unsuspecting mark to another page:

> Where is the user re-routed to? If an end user is a victim of a scam
> and is redirected via the ScamSlam system, then the page they are
> redirected to is specified by the agency entering the scam data.

D�j� vu: redirect the user's mistakes/stupidity to one's own business.

What tells me that the agency is not the back office of the phishing scheme in the 
first place? Same as spyware: there is anti-spyware out there that deletes all the 
spyware installed by their competitors and conveniently "forgets" to detect or fix 
their own.

And I also do see good opportunity for joe-jobs here: get some el-cheapo hosting on 
the hosting server that you want to take down, setup a fake phishing web page, then 
send phishing email and/or report the dummy phishing to the agency. The IP gets 
blacklisted and takes down thousands of web sites along with the one that bozo paid 
$10 one-time for. Gee, it costs less than a movie and popcorn.

</me puts the devil's advocate suit on>


Oh BTW, good luck trying to blacklist a large zombie pool that collectively hosts the 
phishing page and individually send their own address and listening port in the 
phishing email. Why phish on a single IP when one can phish distributed?

Anyway, what's the difference with blackholing? The route-map sets the next-hop to a 
NAT box that dynamically binds the IP addresses contained in the BGP feed (instead of 
setting the next-hop to a blackhole)? BFD.

Trying to patent the wheel is not good for credibility, nor is using the very same 
stinky methods as the scam artists.

Michel.

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