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From: "Farrell,Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Agreed, but apples and oranges to me in that example. I had an engineer that 
worked for me, then left our org. He spent over 70K in equipment and training 
out of his own pocket. He failed the CCIE lab 3 times and finally got it as he 
kept trying on the fourth attempt. He now holds a position in NYC, makes a 
great living, and I still get accolades from the company he now works for how 
lucky they were to get him, and what a great job he is doing. His job entails a 
very high level of responsibility. I think certs provide two things. One, the 
ability to show that you know what you are doing ( agreed grey area on that one 
) , but also the commitment for one to better themselves..... someone I would 
look at in the hiring process first. Any/every applicant still goes through a 
rigorous interview process, and the uncertified sometimes win out. Depends on 
the applicant.
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I have a degree in electrical engineering w/ an emphasis in communications 
systems and no vendor cert.  Also, I have hands-on experiences on many products 
(cisco, Juniper, Alcatel, Foundry, 3Com, etc) and a lot of protocols (too many 
to mention, but am working on Alcatel's Triple Play stuff right now [IPTV is 
way cool]).  What would you choose?  Someone who only knows cisco or someone 
who can do it all?

scott

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