> This may be where Randy Bush derives his "IVTF" label. not exactly. see <http://archive.psg.com/051000.ccr-ivtf.pdf>.
> Yes, there have been attempts to bridge the two camps, but I suspect > the only way to really address this is a fundamental shift in the way > the IETF does business, taking into account the fact that network > operators and end users, by and large, are not the implementors of > protocols and don't actually care how they are implemented, but rather > the folks who define what the protocols need to do. I'll admit some > skepticism that such a change is actually feasible. standards bodies used to be composed of users meeting to drive vendors to common specs so the users had freedom of choice and inter-operation. the ietf has become vendors inventing new and ever more complex features to drive users to minimal margins. randy
