On 4/24/ 2019 10:34 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

> That's looking at it from a technical perspective when it isn't a technical 
> problem. People that buy "includes wifi" from their ISP often need extreme 
> amounts of help with it, and thus the wifi credentials are stored and 
> transmitted in plain text for tech support reasons.

While I agree that the underlying need is to provide fast and effective 
customer service - it is ultimately a technical problem.  As it's been pointed 
out in subsequent posts WiFi is the leading cause of customer calls to an ISP 
offering the service.  Security and "ease of use" are often at odds with each 
other, and implementing the former with the latter is the challenge many of us 
wake up to each and every day.  The information should be encrypted at rest and 
in transit and could easily be decrypted by the CSP platform for use by 
customer support staff at the time of need when cusetomers call in - which 
would address the concern.

In my experience, bad practice is easily replicated.  What else is transmitted 
in cleartext?  Today it's the WiFi password, tomorrow it's your login, port 
forwarding, DMZ, and other details that are far more useful to a remote 
attacker than your WiFi password.




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On 4/24/19 8:13 AM, Benjamin Sisco wrote:
> The bigger concern should be the cleartext portion of the subject.  There’s 
> ZERO reason to store or transmit any credentials (login, service, keys, 
> etc.), in any location, in an unencrypted fashion regardless of their 
> perceived value or purpose.  Unless you like risk.


That's looking at it from a technical perspective when it isn't a technical 
problem. People that buy "includes wifi" from their ISP often need extreme 
amounts of help with it, and thus the wifi credentials are stored and 
transmitted in plain text for tech support reasons.

~Seth
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