On 13 Aug 2019, at 11:03 PM, William Herrin <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 7:42 PM John Curran <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: On 13 Aug 2019, at 9:28 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: The last time I looked, RPKI adoption was sitting at around a grand total of 15% worldwide. Ah yes, here it is... https://rpki-monitor.antd.nist.gov/ I've asked many people and many companies why adoption remains so low, and why their own companies aren't doing RPKI. I've gotten the usual assortment of utterly lame excuses, but the one that I have had the hardest time trying to counter is the one where a network engineer says to me "Well, ya know, we were GOING to do that, but then ARIN... unlike the other four regional authorities... demanded that we sign some silly thing indemnifying them in case of.... something. Interestingly enough, those same indemnification clauses are in the registration services agreement that they already signed but apparently they were not an issue at all when requesting IP address space or receiving a transfer. I signed no legal agreement either to register my legacy addresses or to do a whois lookup to check someone else's addresses. Just sayin’. Bill - When you did that Whois look up at the ARIN website, you did agree to terms of use for the Whois service which contains indemnification provisions and are legally enforceable. <https://www.arin.net/resources/registry/whois/tou/> If you instead used a command line interface (e.g. "whois -h whois.arin.net<http://whois.arin.net> …”), then you received output from ARIN’s Whois server along with notice of the applicable terms of service… I would observe that continued use at that point has been held to indicate agreement on your part [ref: Register.com<http://Register.com>, Inc. v. Verio, Inc., 356 F.3d 393 (2d Cir. 2004)] Thanks, /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers
