Except I’m not talking about CPE. I agree that’s the customer’s job. 

I’m talking about keeping the nodes up and running. 

> On Oct 15, 2019, at 7:50 AM, Brandon Martin <lists.na...@monmotha.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 10/15/2019 09:42, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> I disagree with the statement that providers should not be required to 
>> backup their networks.... while I don't think it should be an FCC 
>> requirement, I do believe the providers have an obligation to do that.
>> That's one of the reasons we generally opt for larger node sizes. Yes, it 
>> does cut down on the total bandwidth you can push out to end users, but in a 
>> disaster its much faster to recover as well as provide backup power that is 
>> up 24x7 vs hundreds of little nodes.
> 
> 
> I'm generally OK with the provider pushing demarc CPE backup power off onto 
> the customer unless they're providing "POTS-like" service.  Aside from POTS, 
> I don't think there's ever been expectation of telecommunications services 
> working during a power outage unless the end user provides backup power.  I'm 
> not even sure residential deployments of ISDN came with power for 
> customer-prem ATAs, etc. unless you made special arrangements, but ISDN was 
> never popular here, so I'm not sure. If you have a T1 PRI, the LEC will 
> probably keep it up to your prem, but you're responsible for keeping whatever 
> you're plugging that T1 into up during a power outage.  Heck, they may not 
> even do that.  I've certainly seen T1 smartjacks hosting real, honest PRIs 
> that were line-powering repeaters without battery on them, so who knows even 
> in that case.
> 
> After all, the user has to keep the equipment they're using up, too. That's 
> certainly not the provider's responsibility.  Telcos aren't power utilities 
> (usually, and when they are it's generally a separate operation).  Yes, I 
> understand that many users have wireless/portable in-home equipment with 
> batteries of their own and are often using all-in-one demarc/routers provided 
> by their provider, nowadays...
> 
> I do think that providers should generally at least offer some basic guidance 
> on how their users might accomplish this even going so far as to provide, 
> install, and maintain such means if paid to do so, but I don't think it's 
> something to be expected when you're buying cable TV or public Internet 
> access service.  Again, POTS-like service is different.
> 
> I do feel that modern IP providers really should strive to keep their end of 
> the network up regardless.  That is, even during a reasonable power outage, 
> providers should be able to deliver usable signal to their customers absent 
> actual damage to plant.  Exceptions made for natural disasters, fuel 
> shortages, and widespread, extended power outages that just overcome the 
> ability to shuttle portable gensets around fast enough to keep batteries 
> charged.  However, unless you're otherwise subject to regulation due to 
> monopoly status, having received ample amounts of build-out subsidy, or 
> providing historically regulated telecommunications services, I'm not sure 
> that regulation is the best way to achieve this.
> 
> --
> Brandon Martin

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